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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    I have about 2 yrz in the game as well, and even tho mystery declined my friend reauest on facebook, id still buy him a drink, and sing his praises because without the game as he teaches, i would not be number closing and dating strippers rite now, so yeah... give up and let us real players play, and u obviously missed the most important lesson from the mystery method... Think fun and not outcome!

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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    Does it matter who these guys have been with or espouse to have been with and why should that matter to you or me or us all. If you look to these guys as gods who are some type of savior then you have a serious confidence problem.

    At the best they are a source of information and at the least they are a source of amusement. Your success with women is solely dependent on your mind set and putting someone else down for your personal gain is childish.

    They have all given some golden nuggets and when you melt them all down you get a gold bar or more.

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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    you know, I'm gonna give my 2 cents on this....

    I never doubt creditability on someone who lacks a skill despite what they sell/teach. There are professors out there who teach courses in university that don't know every answer and can't prove things 100% of the time. There are professional athletes out there who mess up an important shots, even if they are star player or captain of the team. Doctors can't even heal every disease out there despite that is there job.

    My take on it is, I never purchased any of this stuff, but I have skimmed through a few sections and read a few e-mails here and there.. can't say I'm a dedicated member of the game... But I posted earlier saying ... these guys have a point, they have a starting point to where we can begin our game.... and the starting point is also understand ourselves and our personality, you can't change who you are, but you can change your approach ACCORDING to who you are.

    It's like syaing, you read a textbook on accounting and expect to be a chartered accountant, it simply won't work. You read these books, and you take their concepts and start practise, adapting to what is "you" to make it work best for you. Everyone needs the personal touch, or else we should all just be robots and try to do the same thing over and over again .. the game is ALWAYS evolving.

    I've been with HB9 and 10s and date them for a while too and it's been a personal game for me, to be myself while applying a few techniques here and there... but I have also been with HB5 and 6, doesn't mean I suck at the game when I get a lower score... means I'm just having fun, being open-minded and giving the girls a chance :P

    Yeah, you may have found pictures of them with not so good looking people, but ask yourself, ask your friends who is deep in this game, who has 100% HB9 or 10 success? or even you, are all your pickups consistent at a 7 or 8? probably not, simply because no one is consistent, and some nights we may lower standards for a good time.

    I'm basically saying, you can't claim something is fraud or somehting is false and scam because it doesn't work for you... it's about what suits you best, to some people it's about being themselves and they may take longer to get the girl they want.. but hey! you've earn it in your own ways.... these people are just trying to help the dudes that lack a little skill in approaches....

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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    After assimilating to Pickup, through mystery, style, kezia, gambler and many others.

    Here are my 3 girlfriends now, with a few ex's
    (yes gf's, sex, dating, need for each other, what have you.)

    ex


    ex playing with my cover


    my girlfriend now, gonna see her again in february(shes got college now and i got navy :/)


    my other girlfriend, shes going through separation pain :/


    same one

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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    btw "disappointed" if these people were clearly frauds, why are theyre products STILL selling? turn off your computer.

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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    Gents, we have all been genetically programmed from our evolution as cave men to look for beautiful women. While the definition of "beautiful" changes from era to era, it has always boiled down to this: a woman who looks "healthy," both physically and genetically -- and therefore able to bear healthy children -- is seen as "beautiful" or at least "attractive." Whether it was in the 1500s, when a chubby woman was seen as coming from a good family and therefore most likely genetically able to bear many children, or today, when a body that has the time to spend many hours in the gym denotes a certain affluence, it is in the most ancient part of the male brain to look for what his age considers "beautiful" in a woman.

    But that's all at the deepest subconscious level. Have you asked yourselves what drives you to go out and consciously seek the most beautiful woman you can find?

    I would say it's because our minds equate a chick's hotness with her sexual skills and performance. This is physiological and it is biological. But is it accurate?


    Sadly, when you approach a woman on the street or in a bar--or in just about any setting--you can't tell what kind of sexual freakiness she's capable of. Only in a few situations (and I know of one great one) can you really tell what she's down for in advance of your approach.

    That's why our default is to go after the hot ones. Because we are conditioned to equate hot with good in bed. It's a false premise. What you really want is a chick that will fark you so good that your eyes spin in the back of your head. That's a different and individual experience for each of us. But when you find it, then you don't necessarily care so much what score other dudes give her.

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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    all to true tango foxtrot, had a HB9 blow my cock, and literally BLOW as in exhale with great pressure on the tip of my cock. bad bad bad bad bad .... bad! lol

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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    Quote Originally Posted by disappointed View Post
    Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds.

    There is no proof that either Mystery (Erik von Markovik), David DeAngelo, or Juggler (Wayne Elise) have ever been with HB9s or HB10s.

    There is no proof that any of their techniques work on HB9s or HB10s.

    I've been in the game for 2 years, and have only scored with HB8s and below using the material taught from these three "gurus". (Mystery Method, Double Your Dating, How to Meet and Connect with Women.) I've also read countless other PUA and seduction books and e-books, including Robert Greene's Art of Seduction in full, The Game, and Mystery's Magnum Opus video course (valued at $2397). I've still only had success with HB8s and below from being in the game for 2 years. If I do not sleep with an HB9 or HB10 by the end of this year, I am giving up on the game altogether. It is a waste of time.

    Here is a look at each of these instructors' girlfriends to prove that they are not pick up artists, but in actuality, scam artists.

    ha ha ha , dude, you're just Wonderful, very amusing ha ha ha So in some kinds of way you're telling us thta you're better than Mystery, David DeAngelo and Juggler all 2gether, because they never scored a BH9 or HB10 and You with your 2 years in the game you've scored only with BH8s, so You OUTCLASSED YOUR MASTERS...

    But since you are in the business of posting pictures, why don't you post few pics of your HB8s so we can jugde and compare...

    You may be rigth who knows he he he Take CARE

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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    And for the sake of giving proof, here are some of my gf's ( some current, some are ex's )

    Ex :



    Ex :



    Current :



    Current ( LDR ) :



    Ex:

    http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/1...8995681168.jpg

    Any more questions, dissapointed and heatlove? No? Didn't think so. GTFO there and play the damn game.
    Last edited by Sitfab; 08-22-2011 at 10:42 AM.

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    Default Re: Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

    Quote Originally Posted by Pierrot View Post
    all to true tango foxtrot, bad bad bad bad bad .... bad! lol
    Wow, man.....that sounds awful. I don't care how hot a chick looks. If she can't perform in the sack, what's the point? That's why I like to use online solutions to pre-qualify what a chick is down for before investing time and effort on her. She may still need to improve her skills, but it's nice to know that she's willing to let me do what I want to her in advance.


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