how can I game my son

I know this is a pretty unusual question, but I need to learn how to game my son. My ex started dating this karate master and my son just doesn't seem to want to be around me much anymore. We've always been super tight, he's my whole world really. I don't have a girlfriend or a social life. He seems to be really fond of this guy who's a complete asshole. The first time I saw him was at a tournament that my son was in. He was the ref and got right in my son's face and yelled at him when he didn't hear him say stop. now my ex is dating him and he seems to have just forgotten about me. I was supposed to have him this weekend but he's ditching me for this dude. I'm not the macho type at all, my son is much more alpha than me. he's only 8 but i can tell he'll be a total natural. His social IQ is already much higher than mine. What could I do to win him back over?

first of all, thats pretty cool. anyways, let's see what we can do with you. Im not an expert on family relations, thats not what these forums are about. BUT at the same time, we can still work on your other issues and maybe turn you into a really cool dad.

i know this is your son, but with girls this is AFC behaviour. Not manly. He can still mean the whole world to you but you need to already have an interesting life that he wants to be a part of.

Yah, work on that first.

Well this "asshole" seems to have a cool social life that your son wants to be involved in.

WTF dude? #1- he's your son #2- hes 8 years old?

essentially, you need to get your manhood back. I strongly suggest you watch the movie "crazy stupid love" to fully understand what I'm talking about. Don't try to "win your son". concentrate on becoming an interesting MAN first and your son will come to you.

Being that your son is only 8, he is still influenced quite a lot by others.

-"I don't have a girlfriend or a social life"
-"My ex started dating this karate master"

If it was your son's choice to see your ex's boyfriend this weekend, it's because he finds him more interesting, and perhaps iconic.

You're ex's current boyfriend provides the portrait of an independent Alpha Male figure who is a karate master, has a girlfriend, and perhaps social life. Children like to tell, and listen to stories. A black belt karate master makes a pretty good story.

Granted you don't have to be in a relationship to "win him back over", but you should consider the following (without taking offence, if any taken... I'm only being analytic here). You mentioned that your boy is going to be a natural Alpha correct? If so, this Karate Master could be very influential on him.






- Be Interesting (We've all been bored children at some point in time. On those boring days, what did you WISH your parents would do with you? Go for a random bike ride? Theme park? Movie Theater? Play at the park?).


- Following the first jot... Put yourself in your son's shoes (What am I doing with Karate Master? What is Dad doing with me? What sorts of activities appeal the most to me? One of my single parents now has a boyfriend who is a Karate Master, cool!)


- If he's drawn toward the Alpha Male icon, you'll have to show that you're Alpha.


- I'd suggest to dlv certain aspects of Karate Master, that you don't want your son to inherit. Don't be direct about it. For example, don't say, "It sounds really stupid when that Karate Guy starts yelling". Find some random stranger who is yelling, and then say "wow, he's going to have NO friends yelling like that...". depending on how similar the situation is, and how memorable you've made it (by using expression), your son WILL remember what you said the next time Karate Master goes to yell something at someone.
(You'll only be able to do this once you've proven your Alpha to your son, dhv yourself, and "Be Interesting", as pointed in the first jot.)


- DO NOT MAKE ANY ATTEMPTS AT BRIBERY. Bribery will only show you're weak, if your son catches on that you're letting him do this or that IF he stays with you for the weekend, then he'll begin to like you for all the wrong reasons.





*Expect something like this with any new boyfriend your ex might be in a relationship with. It's the adolescent curiosity, interest, and (perhaps) iconic Alpha portrait, that is luring your son to this Karate Master.

*Also expect that this may all change with time, as your boy throws away his adolescent tendencies and see's more admiration for the laid back father who has raised, and has always been there for him.



He's an eight year old child, so certain aspects of the game WILL work. What we're working with here are..

- Building Interest
- Demonstrations of Higher Value (Toward You)
- Demonstrations of Lower Value (Indirectly Toward Karate Master)

Wow, that felt pretty harsh but I guess I needed to hear it. I know I need to "get a social life" "be more interesting" I've been trying to do that for quite some time but it's not that easy. But still, thanks for the honest advice. I guess I'll just submerge myself in this pickup stuff and work hardest on those areas. Speaking of social life. I just got a Dwi after learning about the karate master, so now I can't drive and have no friends. All I do is work and go home. Any ideas on how I can start a social life in this kind of situation?

Just use the transit system.

Try some pubs, or anywhere at all.

PUA skills aren't only for picking up women.

People go out to make friends too.