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Originally Posted by BP88 you need to be better than her ex. |
Absolutely. But I couldn't agree with the rest of what you've said less.
There's almost no subject I enjoy talking about more, and that has gotten me laid more consistently within a matter of hours on a
first date.
I should really charge for this stuff...
When a girl brings up the subject, or hell, I bring it up myself, she WANTS to talk about it. But why would I? So I can listen. And I mean really pay attention. You've got to be reasonably intelligent and ANALYZE what she's saying about why they broke up. Don't EVER sit there and nod and say "That sucks!" or "What an asshole" or if you really love not having sex you can say "I'm sorry". On the contrary. I try to gather some of his better points from what she's telling me and come to some conclusions of why he may have cheated, dumped her, been too clingy, controlling, whatever, and actually make a soft but plausible defense for him.
For example: Yesterday I find out in casual old first date conversation that the recently single and hesitant to move on girl sitting across the table from me who I'll have in bed in about an hour can't stand controlling men. Naturally, for me at least, I lead in to the conversation on her ex. As she explains how he always accused her of cheating, and wouldn't let her hang out with hardly anyone, etc. I simply asked about
his past exes and found that, as I expected, he had been cheated on.
My soft defense was that after that it was only natural for him to be insecure, and that I felt kind of bad for him too. Maybe he didn't understand how it affected her, and it sounds like he didn't know any other way to protect himself. I reiterated a few of his good points I'd gathered, and said he seemed like a nice guy otherwise.
As I've seen almost every time, she stopped mid-sentence, staring me dead in the eyes, as her jaw dropped a little and her mind tried to comprehend what I'd just said. Finally, she explained how she would have never cheated on him (what a shame he couldn't see the forest for the trees) and from there she completely
opened up and spilled her guts while I carefully picked out a few of his more egregious flaws to side with her on while picking others to defend him or "feel bad for him" on. (Actually, I was being honest when I said I felt bad for him. But only because I could tell I was getting close to farking his girl.)
When I felt she had completely let her guard down, I casually glanced a few remarks around their sex life, and as before, she opened like a book, not only explaining how it was good in the beginning and how she hasn't had really good sex in a while, but about her likes and dislikes, some of which I complimented while making suggestions on others. At this point the game was over. Everything from there on should be pretty familiar territory for most of you.
Balance is a crucial element here. You can't blindly defend the guy, otherwise it will look like you'd rather be dating him haha. Seriously though, the power the effective use of this strategy gives, the segways to virtually any conversation you want, and the impression you leave on the girl are absolutely incredible.
What I mean by a soft defense, is just sincere enough to be believable, but weak enough for her to overcome with more information and objections which you can use to your advantage.
This isn't something you play around with though. If you come off as the least bit insincere, I'd imagine you'd be toast, but it offers so many opportunities to subtly and almost undetectably make her project his attractive qualities on to you and in such a non-threatening way. Obviously those are qualities she's extremely attracted to, since, I mean, she dated the guy. I could talk for hours on the intricacies of this... it's farking incredible...
I've always been aggressive with girls I like, I'm not going to give any ground towards something I want out of some irrational fear of offending her, and if she's that sensitive, I wouldn't have wanted her anyway but as successful as that is, it takes varying amounts of time and some degree of care to do it right.
This is almost unfair. It's like these girls exes have done all the work for me, and I can consistently get exactly what I want with little more than an hour or so's worth of conversation.
I actually came across this accidentally while talking to female friends and girls I wasn't interested in who ended up crushing on me completely unexpectedly. I just kept doing it and eventually decided to try it out on the rest. And I'll be damned if it hasn't bagged me at least a baker's dozen.
Who would have thought that pretending to be a nice guy would get you so far? I'm a bad man...