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  1. #1
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    Default Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    Background: I just moved into some dorms of a local college were I will be taking a class for the summer. This is my second night. I don't know many people who will be here over the summer so I figured it'd be perfect for practicing game.


    The beginning: To my luck I am in the international dorms for the summer meaning lots of international girls who I can show the american life style to. I met a group of Brazilians and one cute girl ~7 (9 with the accent) who gave me some early ioi's Throughout the night as the group travels I play cocky funny and keep push/pulling her. It was pretty challenging with the language barrier but we managed. Night is ending and we're the last ones on the elevator after everyone else had left. I had the urge to just grab and kiss her spontaneously but decided it would be too aggressive. Door opens and she says "let me go first" in a flirty way (we had been talking about chivalry earlier, one of my filler sets) I respond with but of course. Once outside the elevator I decided it would be best to leave abruptly and causally because of cat-string theory. It worked excellently I said "well I'll see ya tomorrow!" The look on her face as she responded was priceless, She clearly had wished I stayed around.

    Get back to my room to discover on Facebook that she has a boyfriend. Not the biggest challenge as it is long distance but it will definitely be very difficult.

    Currently Today I got a facebook chat message from her sharing websites we had talked about (more IOIs) conversation continues to asking me to join the group for dinner (even more IOI's) I sit down first and she makes a special effort to sit in front of me so that we can talk.
    Dinner goes so-so the language barrier was hard and her friends kept interrupting because they speak better English than her.

    Dinner ends we go back to dorms and go our separate ways, 10 mins later she asks if im in the lounge ( I was ) and asked if I'd like company (chose me over her friends) even more IOIS!


    Another guy from the hall comes join us and starts hitting on her quit hard. I let it go and talked with other people in the lounge while occasionally joining their conversation. She would make efforts to involve me in their conversations. (At one point while in conversation with the other guy she mentions the boyfriend which she still has yet to tell me about or bring up in conversation)

    Eventually I suggest a phase shift to another lounge. I sit on a couch with her friend (girl ~5) and she sits on a chair. Her friend gets close to me as we have to share a cushion. At one point while talking with the 7/9 she makes some motion that suggest that her friend (5) and I should be a thing, it was very vague though.

    Eventually the more attractive girl comes over to the couch and sits next to me pushing me between her and her less attractive friend (quite comfortably )Night continues with a few more IOI's and people begin to head off to bed. She stays around even though she is clearly tired. I decide to go with the abrupt end again and say I think I'm gonna go to bed. She says she has to finished something for her research and then she will. I say alright well good night then Ill see you tomorrow and leave.


    Now: Its clear that she is interested in me and her pupils also dilate when we are talking (psych hint of attraction). She has yet to mention to BF to me. We will be living together for the summer in the same hall so I am not in any rush but I would like tips on how to escalate kino and attraction faster. I'm worried that cultural differences might make this very difficult

    Side note: I have been invited to a frat party by a friend on campus in two days. I have to bring at least 2 girls though. I would like to suggest it to her and her friend but I can't bring the whole group and don't want to seem like an asshole at the same time. Any ideas on how I can go about suggesting this?

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    Default Re: Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    1) Use google translate on your phone if you're having language problems
    2) Ignore the fact she has a boyfriend, she is young, not married and on vacation of sorts - she is looking for adventure and if they were really serious she would not be flirting with you.
    3) I wouldn't do the early bed call anymore, next opportunity get her back to your dorm room, hang out for a while and pounce on her or take her for an evening walk on the campus, somewhere nice so you are alone, kiss her there and work on getting her back to your dorm room later. Be persistent.
    4) You have to act fast before another guy steals her or she looses interest. Strike while the iron is hot. Get involved with her before the frat party or other guys will be all over her.
    5) If she puts up the barrier of the boyfriend just say stuff like 'where is he now? He is probably talking to a hot girl as you are talking to me' or 'put him on ice, you are young, you...you have never kissed an american? Come here..' etc

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    Default Re: Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    Thanks for the advice!

    Fear of rejection is hitting me on this one just because of the whole living on the same floor thing. I know it wont be a big deal once it happens though.

    Any suggestions on lines or words to kiss close for this one? I prefer to escalate Kino before a kiss close so any suggestions to do that?

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    Well remind yourself she is the foreigner in your country. You are exotic to her too and she likely will have had some sort of fantasy about an American Shes from brazil, not Monte Carlo.

    Search the forum for kiss closes. Start with light Kino and work up. You just have to do it, like jumping into cold water. The quicker you jump in the easier it is. Women like to be touched generally if it's affectionate and not sleazy. Greet her by grabbing her hand or arm gently, guide her forward when walking with your hand on her back. Place her hand on your thigh. Put your hand on hers. Play with her hands and fingers.

    If she responds well to kino she will likely kiss you. If she kisses you, she will sleep with you. Kiss closes are not easy but again you just have to do it because the chances of success are higher than failure usually. Sometimes I will kiss a girl when she's talking about something poetic or serious. I will just interupt her and kiss her. 'enough talk'. Ask her to close her eyes you have a surprise for her. Kiss her. Ask her to make a wish with you. When she asks what you wished for kiss her. At the end of the night 'I'm going to kiss you goodnight' kiss her. 'I've never kissed a girl from brazil, I'm curious to try - show me why brazillian girls are so passionate'. Kiss her. 'you know I was just thinking ...(move closer)...that ...you..(move right up to her face)...and... I ...should....(kiss her). 'what perfume is that?' lean into her neck to smell. Kiss her neck and keep going. Wait until you can come from behind her, place your hands on her shoulders or waist and kiss the top of her back, neck and trapezoids. It's a highly sensual area for a girl. Give her a massage to her upper neck where it joins the skull, start kissing her neck, twirl her around and mash lips. Just have to do it. You will feel 100% better whatever the outcome is than if you never tried at all.

    A romantic setting helps. Make it special.

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    Default Re: Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    UPDATE:

    Most of the people in a lounge had left and she was saying that I was going to leave because I always seem to leave when everyone else does. I said I probably wont but eventually I will.

    We ended up just on a chair together kind of cuddling I was rubbing her leg.

    Girl: you make me nervous
    Me: why is that
    Girl: idk

    a few mins later

    Girl: I'm tired
    Me: me too, I think I'm going to go to my room, you should come with me
    Girl: No
    Me: alright then well I'm gonna go
    Girl: no
    ME: then come with me
    Girl: no
    Me: alright then I'll see you tomorrow. Goodnight

    Girl (Sad puppy face, very disappointed.

    I now look like I always leave "run away" in times like this which is giving me a bad rep cuz she is predicting that I am going to leave and I did leave. Tomorrow if she brings it up I'll say I told you to come with me but you wanted to stay.

    I feel bad for leaving her but I know PUAs have to be the exception to the rule. Did I do the right thing by leaving?

    Help would be appreciated.

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    Default Re: Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    facebook chat from her 10 mins later:

    I can't understand
    why did you go away?
    you were almost take my hand
    and then
    you move away
    it is strange

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    Default Re: Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    Sorry for the posts in succession:

    more FB chat:


    Her: I can't understand
    why did you go away?
    you were almost take my hand
    and then
    you move away
    it is strange
    i know you saw that message
    facebook shows me
    so answer
    i want to talk with you

    My response: ahahaha oh facebook. you said I was making you nervous so I figured we should leave the lobby, you didn't want to leave though

    Herooh
    because it is so normal
    a girl just go away with a guy
    to his room
    i am not that kind of girl
    if you don't wanna talk with me it is ok!

    Me:now you're assuming hahah.I just didn't want you to feel nervous so I figured we could leave and be somewhere else. talking about this on facebook is pointless, we live down the hall together we can go back to how we were if you want, just didn't want you feeling nervous

    Her:what do you want?

    Me:not to talk over facebook chat lol

    Her: you go away
    i will not go to you
    you always do that
    it was funny here
    in the lobby
    buut
    you always do that
    so

    me: I guess I just make fast transitions. I figure if I don't leave eventually I'll stay up way too late. Don't take it personally, its just my personality. I thought I was making you neverous, I didn't want to do that. I am becoming too cliche though, I shouldnt keep leaving like that


    Her:when you said that ''we can go back to how we were if you want''
    it means just friends again?

    ME: I thought that is what you wanted all along?

    Her
    : why?

    ME: I'm not really sure, just got that vibe. I'm not good at reading people (you seem to be good at it though). But enough of this online talking its too impersonal. I'm going to get some sleep (actually this time) Don't think too much of this, I'll see you tomorrow. Good night!

    her: haha
    you are strange
    i don't know why
    but you are
    havr
    have* a good night
    in fact another guy come here and take your place
    so
    uhushushauhsa
    but i wish you were here
    but maybe you are just kidding with me
    so
    i know you are reading this
    so why wont you answer me, you were being so cute and then you leave me.
    Just say what you want to say.



    I'm so confused I feel like im trying PUA techniques too hard

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    Default Re: Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    Me: sorry, I left facebook up while I was brushing my teeth
    so I wasn't actually seeing the messages... its not a perfect technology.
    Sorry I confuse you, I'll try to be less confusing, its probably this damn
    language barrer, I need to learn portuguese.
    Maybe I should come back an finish the movie with you but it seems I've been replaced

    I am going to sleep now but tomorrow my friend just told me of a party that may be happening.

    Her:no you were not replaced
    i just quicked out the other guy
    i dont know why these things happen
    husahushuahuas
    so we can talk tomorrow


    how the fuck am I suppose to read into this and what do I do next, I am clueless.

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    Default Re: Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    She is into you dude. Next time in the lobby, when everyone goes and it is just you two, invite her up to your room, or outside somewhere. If she says "No", sit down on sofa with her, say "I can stay for 5 minutes". Use Kino, get her on you, like on your lap, she is from Brazil, different culture than North America. Just go in for the kiss. Tell her she has something on her cheek, when she wipes it, tell her it is still there, 2-3 times, get close like your looking at it, kiss her on the cheek. Then the kiss barrier has been broken, the lips are next. DO the same thing, "You have something on your lips" 2-3 times, she will know what you are doing from the cheek kiss. If she wants a kiss she will either play along, or pretend she doesn't want a kiss. Give her one anyways.

    Your both young, enjoy the beauty and power of your youth.

    PS I wouldn't take her to the frat party, just my thought.

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    Default Re: Work in progress, need some further tips for kiss close

    You're not being aggressive enough - did you read my post about 'just doing it'? Instead you walked away yet again. You didn't jump into the cold water, you walked away. She said no only to going back instantly to the room, so like easyflow said, you stay downstairs in the lounge, cuddle and kiss. Also you don't need to apologise for anything so no more apologies, except to yourself for walking away and taking the easy option with no reward.

    You let her go and another guy was tuning her but she is clearly saying she wants you and not him, yet you dissapeared. You have to be persistent. You just walked off as soon as she said no, but she didnt completely mean no because she still wanted to hang out. She said she is not 'that type of girl'...what type of girl? A girl that doesn't like kissing, doesn't like to be embraced by a man? Doesn't like sex? She is not saying no, she is just saying don't take it too fast, don't treat me too easy.

    She doesn't know what she wants and doesn't know what you want because you keep leaving and acting confused. That's what she means by you being strange - you act like you like her but then keep walking away when you should be walking to her. If you want her you have to take her with 100% conviction. She will throw out some last minute rejections and tests but they are not neccessarily definitive 'No's' they are to test how strong you are as a man and how much you really want her. As I said before, kissing her is going to be better than not kissing her irrelevent of the outcome.

    You now have a situation with the frat party where every other guy will be after her and if you couldn't make a move while alone how are you going to do that at a party?


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