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    Default last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    So last night i went out with my wing bar hopping, met up with a small group. Started off standing around AFC style for awhile, but then started a couple small conversations/approaches. Now i have to say these were more proximity approaches, girls that were already near me. These didnt really go anywhere other than a short conversation. But i was still happy with that, as its baby steps and just working on getting over aa.

    Next comes the fun part, not. A HB9 brunette opens me, and we have a good convo and start hitting it off. She was pretty drunk... but touchy feely on me etc. Unfortunatly i didnt kino escalate as fast as i shouldve to kiss close. Iatw did some kino though hugging touching her back, touched faces etc... but no kiss ugh, my bad.

    At this point i kind of ran a little dry, what should i have stacked to... considering a loud bar, drunk girl, etc??

    Anyways she asked who i was with, so i took her over to introduce her to my friends. My friends acted cool, but my drunk ass main guy/ wing pretty much immediatly started working game and getting all over the girl!! Hes mr rico suave all the time so he was able to pull her aside, kino all over her, AND pulled her number right in front of me. I just ignored the girl at this point but got raging mad, this close to a big fight, but i kept it mature and it stayed verbal (the girl was gone at this point). My friend appologized, deleted her number in front of me, and went on with the night. Said he had no idea i was into her...bs.

    What the hell happened here? How could i have prevented this other than not going with this guy anymore??

    Anyways next i open a 3 set generically "hows it going", there eyes all locked on me like an audience... i talked for a bit but nothing special, and had no luck trying to even show specific interest in my target. Just talked to all 3. How can i show particular interest in one of them with all 3 of their attention on me...???

    That was about it for the night... out again tonight for more practice.

    Thoughts and tips on my situations guys?

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    Default Re: last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    Your wing - Pretty dick move on his part, but whatever. He should have dhv'd you in front of her, but he was drunk. Not saying it's an excuse, but we've all made idiots out of ourselves after a few.

    As for the three set, did you neg your target, not really pay that much attention to her. Build attraction with DVH's etc... It's not going to wrok every time, but there are many threads on here that say they were successful with those very things. Once there, and even with the negs you can work in some Kino, and make it fun. If you see a few ioi's from your target you can move the conversation directly to her. The other two, probably, after a few seconds if they see you two are now in conversation with talk with themselves. That's the beauty of the 3 set. As long as you have made nice with everyone there, you can freeze them out and they can keep each other company

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    Default Re: last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    Ha ya it was a dick move and i let him know, oh well im over it. Thats my problem with wings sometimes, people get off track and on their own agenda.

    And ya your right, i didnt really neg the target etc, gotta work on that. I mean sometimes i remember, but sometimes i forget stuff in the moment ha.

    Any other opinions on my original post guys? Anyone had similar expierences with wings?

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    Default Re: last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    Sounds like your wing is not your friend, a friend knows his boundaries even if drunk.

    Anyways, I will speak the truth and say you have dropped the ball, you should have gotten the girl sooner but your wing used Direct Game and went in for the kill and n-closed. If I was you I wouldnt have gotten pissed off because thats showing emotions which is part of being an AFC. So you should have let your wing have her, as the saying goes 'its all in the family'. You made a mistake and you learn from it, so next time be quick with it and close out before someone else do. It was either your wing or some random guy. I rather my wing get her than some other guy.


    I had made a thread about this read up 'Just because its going great doesnt mean you have closed' and 'Transitioning and closing is very important' : My observation about women and other guys out in the field
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    Default Re: last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    Yeah I had a similar situation with a wing like EVERY time we sarged. If I opened a set and intro'd him - he would close. If he opened a set and intro'd me - I would close.

    The Reason:
    Once you have a girl hooked she sees you as attractive/high value. She will see your friends (all of them) as having equal value to you. But if your wing gives you your space (ignoring the chick) that will make attraction soar through the roof. If he engages the chick then she will percive his value as slightly higer than yours - because you approached her (gave her some relative value) but he just happened to meet her because of a mutual friend (didn't give her any relative value).

    I've found that whenever a PUA introduces an HB to a wing - no matter what, whether he ignores her or engages her, whether he has his own target (preselection) or does not (available) the HB will have stronger attraction toward the wing.

    The Advantage:
    Once we realized this we started doing "the wingman dive." If I saw a girl I like, I have my wing open her to slingshot my value even higher than I could alone. If he likes a girl then I open. Whoever opens ends up having to roll-off, but it's almost a guaranteed close for the wing.

    Gotta turn obstacles into advantages if you can.
    DTF HB's omw 2 LTR

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    Default Re: last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    I was at the only "club" (would be a sorry excuse for a dive bar anywhere else) here in town a few months ago and opened a 3 set. Engaged all of them and tried to Isolate the most interesting one, but her friends were following us around. I had two roommates at the time and knew they were just at home d1cking off, so I invited all three over to the pad. Was just about to get into a cab with them when a young, quiet guy that I work with came up and started chatting it up with us. He was drunk, but this is the absolute last person I would expect to try to get in the way of me getting some as he is a really rough kid from a little village here in Alaska. Plus, he's got a fiance that he's been with since like 8th grade. Anyway, I let him know we're headed out and this sunb1tch walks up to the one I'm plannin on having my way with and says "Don't fark this guy, he's a player and you'll never hear from him again". I had never talked or "bragged&quo t; about hookups with him or anything. I tried to patch things up, but her friend just said "fark this guy" and they shuffled back inside. Saw him the next day and called him out, but he said he didn't remember. I told him I've never even been cockblocked that bad by a female.

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    Default Re: last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    Good stuff top gun and autismus. This is why i love this forum... we remind each other of such great information.

    I like the wingman dive idea, will try it. Seems so counterintuitive that girls wind up going for your wing or other friends in the group... after you put the effort into it. Sucks, must be accepted i guess. Now what about if YOU really want this girl?? Is it best to keep them away from your wing then? ? This i dont get

    And topgun you hit the nail on the head. I felt like i had it closed before it actually was. And the results are apparent! So you think in a situation like this i shouldve went way more direct quicker? Like throw in "you know im glad you walked over here, your really cute we should definatly see each other again sometime... whats your #?"

    I feel like this is a huge sticking point for me. I am REALLY hesitant to start showing to much interest in them for fear of dlv. Many times this is why i dont close properly. Then when a guy like my wing nate comes in, hes super direct and closes like crazy. How do i train to change this or remedy this?

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    Default Re: last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMiner View Post
    I was at the only "club" (would be a sorry excuse for a dive bar anywhere else) here in town a few months ago and opened a 3 set. Engaged all of them and tried to Isolate the most interesting one, but her friends were following us around. I had two roommates at the time and knew they were just at home d1cking off, so I invited all three over to the pad. Was just about to get into a cab with them when a young, quiet guy that I work with came up and started chatting it up with us. He was drunk, but this is the absolute last person I would expect to try to get in the way of me getting some as he is a really rough kid from a little village here in Alaska. Plus, he's got a fiance that he's been with since like 8th grade. Anyway, I let him know we're headed out and this sunb1tch walks up to the one I'm plannin on having my way with and says "Don't fark this guy, he's a player and you'll never hear from him again". I had never talked or "bragged&quo t; about hookups with him or anything. I tried to patch things up, but her friend just said "fark this guy" and they shuffled back inside. Saw him the next day and called him out, but he said he didn't remember. I told him I've never even been cockblocked that bad by a female.
    Props to you for remaining cool. I would've kicked that guys ASS if i was in your place. I know that its AFC or whatever to act affected by stuff like that, but i think its also part of being an alpha male to defend yourself against dudes trying to encroach on your game..... on purpose!

    Now dont get me wrong im not saying its cool to go around kicking asses, but im a big believer that friends need to respect each others interests in women and help.... not ruin. Also if you never repromand the guilty, theyll never know its wrong. I know my guy wont be doing this again!

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    Default Re: last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    Your wing nate, take a page out of his book and rework your game. You have a good game, but to me closing is the hardest part for many next to opening.

    When you have a girl locked, even when other guys approach her she will still be thinking about you. Reason being is that you would have set the bar high. The reason your bro nate got her is because he took over where you left off and did what you failed to do which is close. It goes more deeper than this because you have to understand this is clear view of what would happen if you are in a relationship with a chick and she cheats\dumps you for another guy. He is filling in the gaps.

    So try to eliminate the gaps in your game to the point the bar is set so high that nate can never surpass your value. It almost like being the alpha of your group.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rando9009 View Post
    Good stuff top gun and autismus. This is why i love this forum... we remind each other of such great information.

    I like the wingman dive idea, will try it. Seems so counterintuitive that girls wind up going for your wing or other friends in the group... after you put the effort into it. Sucks, must be accepted i guess. Now what about if YOU really want this girl?? Is it best to keep them away from your wing then? ? This i dont get

    And topgun you hit the nail on the head. I felt like i had it closed before it actually was. And the results are apparent! So you think in a situation like this i shouldve went way more direct quicker? Like throw in "you know im glad you walked over here, your really cute we should definatly see each other again sometime... whats your #?"

    I feel like this is a huge sticking point for me. I am REALLY hesitant to start showing to much interest in them for fear of dlv. Many times this is why i dont close properly. Then when a guy like my wing nate comes in, hes super direct and closes like crazy. How do i train to change this or remedy this?
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    Default Re: last night, good, but COCKBLOCKED/ FIGHT with wing/friend!!

    So what are you thinking was the gap in this game then? Like i mentioned... not going direct fast enough?

    Look at that line i said in my last post about the your cute whats your number. Something like that?


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