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    Default I really dont know what went wrong

    So the night started with me going out with a few friends to a campus bar, im not going out to meet women at all, just have fun. I had been drinking a little but am deffinently not drunk. And i am sad to say this is the first time i have ever doubted anything i have learned about pick up. It started when a HB8.5 aproaches my group of 4 guys with her friend HB6 for whatever reason so i just naturally took the lead and isolated th HB8.5. She was being a little rude and said she didnt want to touch my hand but i eventually got her to shake my hand, give me a hug, and half her drink with ease. Once i thought A1 was done i moved on to A2 i threw out a few negs that threw her so off her game her jaw dropped as if no other guy had even spoken to her this way before but of course followed with a big stupid smile. I then thought well im busy with my boys i should Number Close and leave,(i forgot to say i was body rocking when i felt appropriate) but i guess i turned for one to many seconds and she left. I was a little shooked but didnt show it. Later on inside the bar i was chillin with an older pua (25 or so, im only 19). He said to me n my friend "go get some girls whatre you doing" so i went back to the HB8.5 to try and impress him (i dont usually do things to impress people but i was feeling lazy and didnt want to pick up in the first place.) I then said some smooth stuff, i dunno what exactly, then felt it was time to number close. So i asked her for her number, she said "find me later and i will" i followed with "really? my phones already out" she said "yea if i find you later" i said "you could just say no if you dont want to keep in touch" she said "okay. wanna know the truth? i dont want to talk to you" i said "okay thats cool i respect that youd say that."very calmly. she then replied "kidding! find me later!" so i said "okay cool ill catch you later i have to get back to my friend" and left. I went back to my friends on in the smoking section and the HB8.5 came out after with some guy i thought was just a tool to make me jealous or something? (i don't get jealous, its a womens trait). She stayed about five feet away always, and i remained cool having a legitimate good time. So then i threw a glow stick at her to get her attention (im at a campus bar with mostly 19yr olds, i can be a little immature..lol) she turned and said something, i didnt pay attention and continued my convo with my buddy (possibly my mistake by not saying something back? i didnt want to seem needy). She walked away, i thought nothing of it, it was a night out with the boys. But then my massive AFC buddy drags me to the dance floor and we hover around untill i notice the HB8.5 hooking up with that guy from earlier..i walk back to the smoking section to my other bud and hes telling me how the HB8.5 was saying how "i was so hot and she was so interested" "but i just said the wrong things to get her" my buddy saying this could have been over exaggerated a little but definitely not lying.. what does she mean saying the wrong thing?? i said everything perfectly by the book right? this never usually happens. i always at least number close even if they flake! But this girl showed interest first, not me. By what she was saying to my buddy the complete AFC me before leaning anything (i still dont claim to fully be a pua) would have not only number closed and k-closed but most likelyy f-closed this girl! and fucking her right now..not eating my chicken fingers with tai sause.. im a little drunk very frustrated and let down but this. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
    btw ill rewrite this in the morning if my drunkenness doesnt make sense

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    Default Re: I really dont know what went wrong

    Sounds like you did every thing right. Your timing may have been off by the drinking. Alcohol distorts time & it sounds like you missed the window of opportunity. You pointed out that another guy was on her. If he noticed you & felt the urge to compete, he could have pointed out your immature interactions to her - or used whatever he had in his bag of tricks to cause the HB8.5 to feel she would be making a bad choice by giving you her number. He may already have an intimate, or close, relationship w/her & peer pressure is a major caulk bloc at your age.
    Carpe diem!

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    Default Re: I really dont know what went wrong

    First of all... this should have been at least three paragraphs Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by petro View Post
    So the night started with me going out with a few friends to a campus bar, im not going out to meet women at all, just have fun...
    Good frame to have (even if it's true) don't be chasing and they won't go running.

    ...It started when a HB8.5 aproaches my group of 4 guys with her friend HB6 for whatever reason so i just naturally took the lead and isolated th HB8.5.
    Did you isolate at the beginning?? Isolating too early (ie before A1, A2 and A3 can be problematic... it CAN be worked... but more often is problematic.)

    ...She was being a little rude and said she didnt want to touch my hand but i eventually got her to shake my hand, give me a hug, and half her drink with ease.
    Makes sense if you hadn't built enough attraction before isolating, but looks like this was only a temporary problem that you got over when you start taking her drink - just being Alpha is why AMOGs get HB8+ and it looks like that worked in your favor this time - just dominating her)

    ...Once i thought A1 was done i moved on to A2 i threw out a few negs that threw her so off her game her jaw dropped as if no other guy had even spoken to her this way before but of course followed with a big stupid smile.
    Wait... so is this AFTER you've isolated her? Because isolation is C1, not A1...

    ...I then thought well im busy with my boys i should Number Close and leave,(i forgot to say i was body rocking when i felt appropriate) but i guess i turned for one to many seconds and she left.
    As an FYI it's usually (like 70% of the time) a bad idea to "number close then leave" doing so gives the impression that you ONLY came over to get her number, but if you get her number, then act as though you realized or remembered another conversational thread, it seems more like a naturally fun and exciting interaction - which you can then leave on a high note (higher than "well that's your number so... I'll text you!")

    ...I then said some smooth stuff... So i asked her for her number, she said "find me later and i will" i followed with "really? my phones already out" she said "yea if i find you later" i said "you could just say no if you dont want to keep in touch" she said "okay. wanna know the truth? i dont want to talk to you" i said "okay thats cool i respect that youd say that." very calmly. she then replied "kidding! find me later!" so i said "okay cool ill catch you later i have to get back to my friend" and left.
    Her: "I don't want to talk to you" = sh1t test.
    You: "Tha's cool" = passing the sh1t test
    Her: "find me later" = IOI

    ...I went back to my friends on in the smoking section and the HB8.5 came out after with some guy i thought was just a tool to make me jealous or something? (i don't get jealous, its a womens trait). She stayed about five feet away always, and i remained cool having a legitimate good time. So then i threw a glow stick at her to get her attention (im at a campus bar with mostly 19yr olds, i can be a little immature..lol) she turned and said something
    You should have engaged her and swooped (stole) her from this tool!

    ...i didnt pay attention and continued my convo with my buddy (possibly my mistake by not saying something back? i didnt want to seem needy).
    The time to show disinterest is certainly NOT just after you have re-engaged her (especially by throwing something at her which is kindof a neg - push) you should have engaged her - pull. Instead you push - pushed her, which is why she left.

    ...She walked away, i thought nothing of it, it was a night out with the boys.
    Cat-string theory.

    ...the HB8.5 hooking up with that guy from earlier..i walk back to the smoking section to my other bud and hes telling me how the HB8.5 was saying how "i was so hot and she was so interested" "but i just said the wrong things to get her" my buddy saying this could have been over exaggerated a little but definitely not lying.. what does she mean saying the wrong thing??
    Saying the wrong thing was isolating her before you got through A1, A2, A3... it was Negging her too much during isolation (instead of building rapport)... it was ignoring/failing to get her number after you re-engaged her with the glowstick throw... after that her value was low enough that she was cakely prey for any fools-mate-ing AFC... I feel your pain though, I've done the same thing many-a-time.

    ...i said everything perfectly by the book right?
    The book is like the Pirates Code... it's more of a guideline.

    ...not eating my chicken fingers with tai sause.. im a little drunk
    Lol. I just did that two weeks ago at my new dorm. Talked to my RA for like 10 minutes, drunk, chowin a basket of chicken tenders xD
    DTF HB's omw 2 LTR

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    Default Re: I really dont know what went wrong

    Now reading this some of the things i did wrong were cause of the booze, but some would have been the same sober like me isolating too early. I didn't even realize her shit test, my answer just came naturally, that must be a good thing, i for sure should have gone in after the glow stick..but even now i wouldn't have realized that i should have pulled when pushed afterwards. By showing interest. Good advice guys, appreciate you reading through the sloppy post. And on an unrelated note go to m&ms n get some tai sauce for your chicken fingers..it'll change your life


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