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    Default Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    So I was at the mall today for about an hour and b*tched out on a few approaches that I should have made, then I decided to stop in barnes and noble and try the whole dating for dummies book routine on any HB's I noticed. I saw this HB9 sitting at the starbucks area alone reading and I was like time to make up for being a b*tch and go approach and try this out. So I did, opened well, sat down across from her, she thought it was funny that I was reading a dating for dummies book and pretending to use material from the book to see if it "worked". So after a couple minutes I was like "wow this book is great" and dropped the act and started actually talking. Attempted to Number Close to which she smiled gave me her phone and told me to call myself with her phone so as I was doing that I kept talking to her, (I was nervous as fark the whole time) I put my number in, got caught up in the conversation and actually forgot to call my phone with hers! I didn't even realize till I left and was in my car driving back home! On top of that I was so into what I was doing and talking to her that I also left my bag with the shirt that I bought earlier there too! So it was a double fail haha. I was pretty impressed with how well that routine worked though (credit to someone on this forum), however I went in pretty much completely cold and got a little lost in it a couple times so I need to get a better idea of where I want the conversation to go and how I intend to get there, and I definitely need to stay more relaxed I was so nervous. Anyway, funny learning experience I guess, you gotta be able to laugh at yourself sometimes.

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    Default Re: Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    she messaged me later telling me about leaving my bag haha, I guess that unintentionally helped in a way. I still feel like she is gonna flake on me but its ok, I will at least get my shirt back!

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    Default Re: Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    We all make mistakes, next time you deffintley won't forget to punch your # in lol. Approach Anxiety is the hardest thing to get past in PUA, keep at it!

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    Default Re: Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    Good job going out and sarging. Just keep doing it! And get an experienced wing man to help motivate you.

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    Default Re: Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    Quote Originally Posted by 2champ2 View Post
    So I was at the mall today for about an hour and b*tched out on a few approaches that I should have made, then I decided to stop in barnes and noble and try the whole dating for dummies book routine on any hb's I noticed. I saw this hb9 sitting at the starbucks area alone reading and I was like time to make up for being a b*tch and go approach and try this out. So I did, opened well, sat down across from her, she thought it was funny that I was reading a dating for dummies book and pretending to use material from the book to see if it "worked". So after a couple minutes I was like "wow this book is great" and dropped the act and started actually talking. Attempted to Number Close to which she smiled gave me her phone and told me to call myself with her phone so as I was doing that I kept talking to her, (I was nervous as fark the whole time) I put my number in, got caught up in the conversation and actually forgot to call my phone with hers! I didn't even realize till I left and was in my car driving back home! On top of that I was so into what I was doing and talking to her that I also left my bag with the shirt that I bought earlier there too! So it was a double fail haha. I was pretty impressed with how well that routine worked though (credit to someone on this forum), however I went in pretty much completely cold and got a little lost in it a couple times so I need to get a better idea of where I want the conversation to go and how I intend to get there, and I definitely need to stay more relaxed I was so nervous. Anyway, funny learning experience I guess, you gotta be able to laugh at yourself sometimes.
    Yes my man I feel your pain. Sounds rough however I have noticed something far more severe than aa. That would be regret. Living with regret is far worse than not approaching. I have felt far worse when I went AFC on a set and did a weak close than when I never opened a certain HB. This past weekend I opened a 2 set with 2 HB9's on the street of the strip and forgot to open the friend and felt like dirt afterwards.

    The reason being is because even though the friend never cockblocked me she still never said anything and I noticed after the fact I was attracted to her a lot and could have built a jealousy plot line to keep the intrigue going about which one I actually liked. This same thing happened to you happened to me in this last set. I was so distracted by the one I opened by her being so attractive I completely zoned the friend out and she rejected me which made me go weak at the last second and then suddenly want the other friend. So it's hard to think clearly in the moment and this is something I haven't quite gotten yet but I am working towards improving.

    It's really hard to say because I never know if I actually like a girl when I meet them I mean sometimes I know like chemistry but really in set so much drama is going on it's hard to sit there and focus if I really really want this girl and how hard I am willing to work for her. I need to process things better that way I can qualify better and have a better exit strategy. I am moving away from closing every set because things go very sour when I close a girl that knows I don't really like them. I mean if I close every girl I will be confused and be like looking for an ego boost, be feeling AFC because the more I close the more I will be rejected. I no longer feel obligated to close an HB7 or HB6 or an HB8+ that is being rude because I am starting to play hard to get and now I am starting to reject girls in a pre-emptive strike pattern. I mean now I know why I looked like such a douchbag when I was N-closing girls who just rejected me like whoa dude so lame. Now when girls reject me I will keep pushing it till I start getting somewhere. I will never close a girl anymore who isn't feeding me IOI's and boosting my ego. This is what is making me Alpha rather than closing every set like a Beta without any clue about qualifying to see who really likes me. So what I am essentially saying I am moving towards is only closing girls I feel I have built attraction with or have attraction for. I won't close girls who are being totally rude or rejecting me hard. This makes me much less frustrated. I was so frustrated when I first started out because I closed every set. Now I close less sets and I can focus more clearly on my actual close. I have noticed it helps to end the close on a cliffhanger and build the intrigue rather than being weak. I have yet to make a strong close end on a cliffhanger and build the intrigue but this is my vision and my plan. Closing for me is a little hard because I am still a little outcome dependant but if I can move away from that and actually focus on my close like my opener and make it count I will feel far less regret.


    So often times I am just looking for an ego boost and really don't care where it goes. You got to wonder though when I really do actually get where I want to be mentally, physically, socially, how incredible that will be.

    I want to have a silver tongue (less neediness) and I am getting one thanks to talking to all these HB's so it really doesn't matter anymore what HB's say or do. I have seen them push me away and be rude then fall into my arms. I have seen them lie and call themselves lesbians, play hard to get then start fawning all over me. But it really doesn't matter if they make it easy or hard because rejection always lurks around the corner. You just got to be ready for HB's to flip like a pancake for better or for worse. Now my goal is not closing sets but making girls fawn, swoon, and making them like me so I can qualify and have them chasing me to get them out on dates and f-close.

    But don't feel like an idiot man just change up your style for next time. Every time I fail I improve for the next time and it helps my game. I am going to start purposedly putting myself in awkward situations with HB's because this is the crunch time when I can really get the attraction built a lot quicker. I am going to make things awkward so that I can make HB's blush, fawn, and swoon. If you play it safe man you are never going to be playing to win. When I was having risky behavior and saying socially unacceptable things I was getting called a hero for the night and for instance some HB8 this past weekend said she wasn't good enough for me and that I deserve a super hot chick.

    What do you think that means? It simply means you can't hate yourself for failing you got to think of taking action that's the only thing you need to worry about. Failing is fun but not taking action is the worst feeling in running game. I hate not taking action. But when I am taking a balanced aggressive approach I am knocking these openers out the park now I just need to apply that pressure to the close and I am good to go. I am still doing kino and trying to sexually escalate but I am working on my verbal game right now since that is the foundation of everything.

    For instance I said something rude to an HB7 after she used the BF rejection on me. I told her was I as good looking as her BF and she got pissed. But I wasn't just running my mouth like a motor mouth. I went in and said that line then backed away and waited for her reaction she got pissed and said why would I say that. Then I moved in knowing it would ping her emotions and said to flatter you. And she blushed. So see the mission was a go. It's not just running your mouth. It's pinging their emotions. I am going to start being more rude so I can flip their emotions by getting them pissed them making them blush. It worked so great because she was so open to my kino after that! I could have totally made out with her at that point if it wasn't a BF rejection. I still haven't figured out how to handle the BF yet because some BF just went crazy on me for macking on his girl and starting aggressively pursuing me.

    The BF thing is like loaded dice if they say they just have a BF it's free game. But if I know the guy or that guy is there with them it makes things a little more complicated.

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    Default Re: Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    thanks for the feed back mackdaddyjon, I am aiming to be somewhere close to the way you are, more aggressive/risky with what I say, I am just not there yet, I am starting out and want to build up some confidence. I have a similar issue with knowing which girls to approach, because I really want to get better at this pua stuff, but I don't want to approach girls I know I don't want just for the sake of getting better. I have been trying to only go after girls I really want. After I approached that girl and got her number the other day, I felt like I could walk up to any girl and do the same, it was such a boost but it wares off unfortunately lol. One of my biggest problems so far is forcing myself to approach. I usually need to get pissed at myself for not approaching a few sets first before I actually make an attempt. Then, my next big problem is after I do approach, my head will go blank. I will have a whole plan in my head before approaching then as soon as I open I am like, ok now what, and I draw like a complete blank. As a result I panic and get all anxious, which I am sure shows. I mean I was so caught up in what was going on and keeping the conversation going that despite having her phone in my hand and my number all dialed in, I never hit send to send myself her number, and then I was in such a rush to exit after getting it, that I left my bag. Clearly I have not developed a level of comfort yet lol. I don't know how I managed to get that hb9s number the other day, she must have really liked the routine, thought I was cute for being so bad at it, or just wanted me to go away (I don't think that was the case though she seemed very nice). I am gonna text her tomorrow and see what happens who knows. On the "I have a bf" card, I like what sasha does, he plays around with them and trys to catch them lying. I tried this and it worked very well, she thought it was funny and when she actually convinced me that she did in fact have a bf, it made me feel better that I didn't screw up necessarily, she just had a bf. Any way, I have been slowly making progress little by little. In the past I never would have even considered trying that routine and talking to a hot girl like that out of the blue.

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    Default Re: Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    We all mess up. Don't beat yourself up about it. Just remember that you are the prize(regardless of whether you mess up or not)and if she doesn't want you then it's her loss and not yours. Keep that mind set and just move on to the next woman.

    If you can see it from a different perspective you were still successful. She did give you her number. Sure you messed up but it happens.

    I messed up with a HB10 once simply because I didn't know how to continue the conversation. She left and went back to her friends. I could have signaled to her before I left for her to come over(she was looking at me). Anyway, good luck using that routine in the future. I might try it myself. Lol.

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    Default Re: Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    I highly recommend the routine, I butchered it but she still thought it was funny. Again its not mine, some one on the forums came up with it. I recommend being over the top with cheesy pickup lines and asking questions that are usually a bad idea just be playful and obvious its a joke. Also grab several books, I used the game and dating for dummies. While I was pretending to read from one she started looking at the other one. Next time I am going to have like 6 or 7 dating/ sex books and just plop them on the table in front of her. I also will have one random book about something interesting that if she notices can be a new convoy starter or maybe a dhv if it relates to your lifestyle (also u can say that's the actual book you are there to buy so you don't come across as the guy that buys all kinds of dating and sex books). I made it a point to make sure she didn't think I was actually buying the dating books, as in my opinion that's a dlv.

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    Default Re: Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    Its a great way to open. "Excuse me can u help me for a minute?" Then just sit down if she says yes and go to work. I mean think about it if some person carrying a handful of books asked u to help them for a second, your curiosity is definitely going to be up.

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    Default Re: Messed up on hb9, I am an idiot

    Your biggest problem was weak inner game. Well done for making the approach but your nerves spoiled it. You need to internalise the thought that any girl is lucky to be having a conversation with, not vice versa. The more you approach the more comfortable you will become and the less you'll need the routines.

    Personally I'd say your next step is to beef up that inner game. Confidence man, it's all about confidence.


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