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Thread: D2: First Ever Kiss Close!

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    Default D2: First Ever Kiss Close!

    Hi again gentlemen! I guess I've started to collect my earnings after couple months I've started the game. It's been kinda slow but I'm totally fine with that since it's working.

    The first part of the story can be found here:
    http://www.puaforums.com/pick-up-fie...-day-game.html
    Above lies the report, when I met this girl during the day and n-closed within 5 mins, which was a huge accomplishment for me since it was my first day game Number Close.

    Anyways, after HB and I were meeting up for D2, I knew I needed to be careful. That is because I'm pretty unfamiliar with further dating concepts, I usually become nervous because I'm inexperienced. But this time I needed to be better, this time she can't sense that I might be weak about dating. That was my overall plan, I just set myself a mindset and didn't memorize any routines or lines at all. And I can say that it worked.

    Right of the bat there was kino, eye contact, IOIs, all that stuff. Of course she was loving to talk and I was carefully listening and leading the convo. At times, in the middle of her story, she was firing me a couple of personal questions about my family, my relationships, which felt like series of sh1t tests. Not all of them were tests, some questions were the indicators that she was actually, genuinely interested in me. Often times, she tried to NEG me about me being 2 years younger than her and tried to act like my older sister. I tried to brush that off immediately, I hope I did.

    Couple of highlights:

    Our D2 plan was to go bowling, but while we were texting the day before the date she said she's really bad at bowling and I said I'm not good either. But actually I'm pretty good at it and I wanted to play a little game.

    When we first met up for D2 and talking about boring stuff, I said:

    Me: (I appeared really frustrated and low-spirited) "You know what? I-I can't do this. I have a secret. Uhh. I don't know how to say this..."
    HB: (She immediately had a worried look on her face) "You have a girlfriend, right?"
    That was the exact response I was waiting for because, for me, it indicated that she's hoping for this possibility.
    Me: "What, why would you say that?"
    HB: "I don't know, I guess..." (She kinda froze there but I didn't push further because I already got the signal that I wanted.)
    Me: "I just wanted to say, I kinda know how to bowl actually."
    HB: (She started smiling again) "Kinda?"
    Me: "Kinda pretty well."
    HB: (Playfully) "Fark you! Blabla..."

    ...

    While we were playing bowling the mood was actually tense. Tense in a good and sexual way. I tried to teach her how to bowl correctly by showing her the body posture, how to hold the ball, etc. She seemed amazed and she was totally checking out my body. I was playfully smacking her bum like: "C'mon girl you can do this. Show me what you got!" In short, everything was there. So I thought, even if I was scared, go for the darn kiss.

    I was a bit tired after couple shots and sitting idle in our booth while she was making her shots. Then, she came and said:
    HB: "Oh you look tired are you okay?"
    Me: "Yeah, I'm fine. It's just a tiring process to work these biceps." (I went to the gym before meeting up with her)
    HB: "Oh yeah?" (She touched my arm and her eyes were glowing LOL.)
    Me: "But I know what can cheer me up."
    HB: "What?"
    Me: "A kiss."
    HB: "Really, is that all what it takes for you? Only a kiss from the cheek?"
    Me: "When did I mention cheek?"
    HB: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "Oh you know what I mean." (At this time we were pretty close, maybe only an inch far from the kiss.)
    HB: (She pulled herself back) "Oh! Not so fast tiger!"
    I was fine with that response because I was ready for it:
    Me: "I've never said you could. "
    After this little line she just went crazy! She was obviously craving for the kiss now, looking at my lips, kinoing me every time she had the chance. And I was absolutely shocked how well it worked.

    After bowling, we went outside because it was her time to go and I didn't wait anymore. I just went in and boom. My first k-close.

    Now that the report is done, I have some questions for you guys. This part of the game is totally uncharted territory for me. We were kind of like boyfriend/girlfriend already on D2 and I didn't act cold because we were out to have fun, at least. However, I felt like I couldn't connect with her on an emotional basis. Maybe it's too early to say whether if we have some kind of emotional connection, correct me if I'm wrong. And I also don't know if I'm ready to settle with only one girl for months or maybe years, because I just started getting success and I don't want to stop with my first one. I want something casual. My questions are:

    Is it too early to determine whether if we had a connection?

    How can I propose that I want something casual, without hurting her?

    Is it okay to have similar concerns after D2 or does my mindset needs re-framing?

    Thanks for reading this extra long one guys! I'll try to cut it short in my following reports. Hope you answer all my questions.

    Thanks,
    Wolf.
    It's not about who I was or who I'm going to become.

    It's about who I am. Do it right here, right now.

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    Default Re: D2: First Ever Kiss Close!

    I got you on this bro. First of all fark yeah bro I love how you teased her it drives girls nuts when you become a challenge and you seemed to do that right away. So dude as you go on more day twos I want you to not be afraid to escalate quickly. You want to push for that f close. She will assume its casual for a few dates as she gets to know you. Remember to be real with her and always tell the truth. After a few dates or an f close make it clear to her "I am not looking for an exclusive relationship and Im not offering one." Be sure to tell her why you like her and say "If thats not okay with you I completely understand. Always be ready to let her go she's not your property and always be geting more girls. Congratulations man keep going.
    What you need will not come quickly. WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS WHAT YOU FEAR. Take comfort that what you seek is there. But you will NEVER have it if you keep being a p$ssy.

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    Default Re: D2: First Ever Kiss Close!

    First off dude don't worry about cutting these things short we can just never learn enough that's why I never apologize for a long report as long as it is well written with a good spirit behind it and some decent results so doesn't matter. This was well written with results so no need to apologize you could even make your reports longer for all I care! Either way you did excellent and glad how you pre-planned on her reactions and pinged her emotions like that. Good way to flip her at the end. She was totally giving you a massive IOD then flipped and huge ioi, LOL. I do this to girls all the time purposely go looking for a big IOD only to flip the script on them and get them craving me more by giving me a bomb diggity IOI by my sly reply to her disiniterest. So don't worry about long reports as long as they ain't boring I'm good.

    On a second note why don't you take this girl Swimming and grab Ice cream or go to Coffee and do Yoga? Those would be pretty awesome dates and I really I wish I could do that with a chick right now. But either way I would love to take a chick with me to go do Yoga for my first time because I know she would love me for being original the only problem is I plowed through all my #'s LOL and no money to go out for two weeks.

    Question #1
    Is it too early to determine whether if we had a connection?
    Yes. The one thing I have learned is never try to read a girl because they could be leading you on, seeing other guys, have a BF in her back pocket, planning on getting rid of you, etc. Never decide on having a connection with a girl unless you guys are serious until you guys are engaged. Essentially everything is fun and games until you guys are serious ie Marriage. Girls will dump you like it means nothing after 3 years and have someone a day later so don't think 3 hours will mean anything to them. There is always guys right around the corner for them and that's why women play hard to get all the time.

    Question #2
    How can I propose that I want something casual, without hurting her?
    Oh dude bad mindset from the get go, get out of that headspace now! Granted I am not that much different I was thinking this same thing 3 or 4 girls ago but the answer is simple, don't. Don't dare tell her you want something casual man you already have something casual! Way to go but I have always screwed up in my past relationships with women because I just didn't get it. You are not getting it but let me tell you what you need to do. So me and my boss were sitting in her car one night. She would take me to restuarants, say I'm amazing, we made out once, let me sleep at her apartment, invite me over and flash me, you really think she didn't want me? This was back in my prime when I didn't care about chicks just hung out with them. Because I never made a move on her she just keep asking me over hoping something would happen and believe me I could have slept with her easy she gave me so many chances. But in the end we were there sitting in her car after all this happened back in my AFC days and I was like "Will you be my GF?" I know totally weak and AFC because she already wanted to be my GF and I was weak and thought I wasn't good enough and she told me no. After she did all that then she stopped because I was acting like a little turd. So basically the moral of the story is never ask for something you already have or she will sense weakness and you will be gone from her emotional closeness in a heartbeat.

    Question #3
    Is it okay to have similar concerns after D2 or does my mindset needs re-framing?
    Needs reframing like with what happened with me only acting differently like when she invites you over and makes all these passes at you to go for them or end up feeling regret for doing the stupid stuff like what I did in these situations and being oblivious to all her subtle passes at you. Also you said you two are already kinda BF & GF well right there dude you need to snap out of it right now! I thought this chick was my GF I met at a Club I made out with who was texting me and trying to get me to go home with her because I texted her to be my GF and she never turned me down but 3 days later she did. Never assume the future man just enjoy the present. Enjoy what you do have with her no matter how confusing it may be. Maybe you two are just dating, maybe you are just friends with benefits, maybe there is a connection there and you end up in a relationship but don't force the issue dude just go with the flow and never bring up being together as hard as that may sound just focus on the goal of getting her into bed and seeing if you can string her along as long as you want. You two are not together at least not in her mind until you hear her ask, tell her friends, etc. Don't assume mate just try to score and don't let her think you are going to be weak like many other guys like myself. I haven't had a date in 10 years but the last chick I got 1 day away from getting her out. I am getting closer just need to reframe myself as well. Good luck.

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    Default Re: D2: First Ever Kiss Close!

    I like Mack's answer to #2 and whole-heartedly agree - Never ask for something you already have.

    Asking a girl "Are you my girlfiend?" "Can I call you my girl?" "Will you go steady with me?" or w/e = beta

    Just keep going out with her and have a good time, go with the flow until you reach what I call a "moment of clarity" whether you know you want her as a gf or not.

    But to be certain, I recommend you go out with different girls. It's the only way to be sure.

    As for your question #1 - Having that connection varies. IF you feel there is no emotional connection, then you are probably right. When you've dated enough girls, and the one girl you feel that connection, it's some powerful stuff that will catch you completely off-guard and really put you to the test. You WILL know right off the bat.

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    Default Re: D2: First Ever Kiss Close!

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    Just keep going out with her and have a good time, go with the flow until you reach what I call a "moment of clarity" whether you know you want her as a gf or not.
    I like this "moment of clarity" you speak of pretty interesting concept if you ask me. To take it one step farther I would even say until she has a "moment of clarity". That's what we all want right? The women chasing us? Why put yourself out there on a silver platter when hot women see this behavior all the time and it turns them off? Now I am trying to learn the art of girls chasing me. I would rather be caught up with a girl and her be like "What are we? Are we together?" Because she would be putting herself on a silver platter and the ball would be in my court for me to totally screw with her head and act aloof. Like oops I thought we were just dating didn't know you wanted to get serious on me, maybe if you treat me real good I will think about it. Regardless of what you say it's better to have an ace up your sleeve to screw with her rather than you throwing it all out on the table and then she can turn around and say 2 days later sorry I don't like you anymore.

    Essentially you do want to be a challenge to them like they say but you can still break the rules. I have literally told girls I wanted them to be my GF over text or in set and totally got away with it even got ioi's from it but sometimes when I behave like a weak little AFC like I said with my boss I knew for 6 months I get the shaft because I asked her to be my GF I lost because it was technically something I already had or could have. I guess I get away demanding (not asking) girls at outings to be my GF when I mean it because it is something I don't have and we all want what we can't have. So remember that it's always okay to display your intentions as long as you are framing it right where it doesn't feel like you are seeking her approval or not feeling like you are good enough. If you think she will reject you chances she will but sometimes she won't and surprise you then the heat is on so to speak since that matter of shock gets you pinging off her and causes her to ping more.

    But don't think the Game is a bunch of rules because it's not. The minute you think it is and play by all the rules the HB's will sh!t test you on following all the B.S. rules. So don't live by the rules either because women love bad boys LOL. But either way I am definitely saying not to do what I did 100% for sure on that. Just saying you can hint at things and get away with it or get away with demanding a girl to be your GF (as long as it is from a place of centeredness and not weakness) when you first meet her or joke around about it but never get all serious and weak like I did because you will always fail. Doubt leads to poor judgment and that was my problem I doubted myself and I got the shaft but I literally told this girl over text after the Club who tried to go home with me (although I didn't go home with her because I was AFC/not man enough) "You are my GF end of story!" Next day? Guess what I got at 7am? "Sorry I ditched you, I had to take a cab. Are you mad at me?" Oh man totally threw herself at me never seen a girl this submissive before believe me she heard the GF comment and the next day? She starts acting like my GF! But I assumed too much too soon started going AFC again by forcing the issue of coming over to her house because she wanted me last night and essentially 3 days later she went back to her ex because I was acting like a wimp. (This brings me to my next thought, I was never given a dating rulebook, I'll go ahead and post about that. Will post in the How to Seduce Women section.)

    But again like the man said you can wait till you have a moment of clarity and frame it to her (but remember Alpha not panzy) or you can wait till she asks you about it (but remember don't think you got her hooked because she threw herself at you due to girls going back to ex's).

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    But to be certain, I recommend you go out with different girls. It's the only way to be sure.
    Okay I have been struggling with this idea for a while. Maybe you could help me understand this better. So should I go out with multiple girls at once? What if they ask me if I am seeing anyone? Will they think I am cheating on them by dating multiple women? What is the right way to frame it so I can feel like I am not getting too hung up on a woman but at the same time still going out and meeting other women without feeling hung up on some girl?

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    Default Re: D2: First Ever Kiss Close!

    "The moment" I mention has to be mutual. That connection - You feel it, she feels it. It can't be one-way. It can't be unrequited. There's going to be a lot of inexperienced guys who claim and think it, but only through trials and tribulations you can truly know or else you are fooling yourself.

    long ago, I went from being a chump who thought there was a connection, but inexperience was a harsh wake up call on that girl. Then I dated various girls, really didn't have a connection (okay now I've seen the worst). Cut them loose or friend-zoned them. To one day, eventually, ended up dating a girl where it was mutual.

    Knowing the game and keeping it alpha, will help you keep these emotions in check. But too much can make you desensitized.

    So bottom line is sometimes to know what is the best, you need to have seen the worst.

    To answer your question about going out with different girls...

    It varies from guy to guy. More specifically, it could depend on your lifestyle, financial situation, and type of girls you go out with. I have friends who are seeing 3 to 5 girls at once (mostly booty calls). Me, personally, I'm a passionate person and require focus, so I can't spread myself too thin.

    Here's what I do:

    There would be one girl I'm dating, but I would constantly be working to better my game. I would talk to other girls, N close them, and run text game.

    So while I'm dating one girl, I would also have a list of girls on text rotation that I'm pinging. It doesn't take time, it doesn't take energy. I would see if I can close a date with them. If I fail (they flake, w/e), then no lost, I'm already in that A-frame of mind that I am "not readily available" and that I am fitting HER into my busy social life schedule. If you close a date with an HB, then it's a win. You have another experience under your belt, your confidence goes up, congrats you are technically now doing what most men are not doing - playing the field and surrounding themselves with HBs

    So it's basically a rotation.

    You are not cheating on them if you never committed to a relationship.

    If she asks you "Do you have a girlfriend?" or some variant of a Sh1t Test, I deflect the question and control the direction of the conversation. Make them laugh and they forget or just don't care or they give up trying because they can't get a straight answer from you. It shows that you are Alpha.

    HER: "Do you have a girlfriend?"
    ME: "No I have girlfriends. Why, Do you expect me only to have guy friends?"

    I would immediately change the topic.

    ME: "What about you? Have you ever had a girlfriend? Have you ever kissed another girl?"

    HER: "How many girls have you been with?"
    ME: "If I said 'zero,' will you give me a lap dance?"


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