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    Hey guys I've downloaded loads of content on PUA and well I'm only starting to get through some of the information that I've attained so I'm just trying things out step by step. I am committed to learning how to attract women, and I've got so far 2 actual targets that I'd probably choose from and a 3rd which is just a practice target.

    ** Please note: Girl A and B and C all exists in different classes. They have not met and do not related with each other. I've done this to isolate any possibility of them finding out that I'm going around having multiple targets to practice on.

    So let's begin with my attempt on Girl A:

    Some facts you should know before I begin:
    - I've already opened with her before
    - We've sat together during lectures but not during tutorials
    - Today is a tutorial
    - Casual girl.. sometimes wears something a bit more high class

    I walk into the classroom I see girl A with no one sitting next to her. Behind her sat 2 girls that I regularly sit with (they're just decoys that I use for dhv purposes). Having some previous bad experiences, I hesitated and sat next to the 2 girls at the back rather than sitting next to girl A. Now, the question I have right here is "was this a bad move? Should I have sat with her? Would this give her too much attention?" As you would expect, this ended up being like the 1st episode of PUA where I'd be the lonely guy in the bar standing there in the end even though there's a girl that's IOIing me like CRAZY she was flipping and flipping her hair. I felt so bad... I just lost my chance. I'm going to try to use the 5 questions game with her when I see her again next week.

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    Girl B:

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    - High profile girl
    - HB9 or HB10
    - Has blackberries and is texting constantly
    - I opened with her as well already on a previous day
    - Class is already in session

    I wanted to put Mystery's theory into test. I wore something that wasn't what I would wear normally (less peacock like). But I guess I under-dressed today because when I entered the classroom it seemed like she still had the connection at first, but had her legs crossed... you know, the kind that covers her private part? So that's really bad news for me, I panicked and went blank. I didn't say much. On the other hand, she started initiating conversation with me and I tried to get her to crack up but, well... let's just say it didn't go too well. She did giggle a little but it wasn't the effect I was hoping to achieve. I saw perfect moments where I could've made her laugh but was afraid to do so because it had to do with what the prof was saying and he's standing right in my face! So class ends and looked like she was waiting for me AT FIRST, but then when I packed up and wanted to leave she starts waiting in line and I asked her "are you asking a question?" She says "Yes... Or heck, I'll ask the TA". She goes to the back to talk to the TA and I didn't want to look anymore weird/loserish than what has already happened and I pretended to respond to a call on my phone and left (in attempt to preserve value). She never tried to come up to me and so I just left for good.

    Alright story time's over. What did I do wrong? What should I be doing?
    Last edited by Mystery_wannabe; 10-21-2009 at 11:07 PM.

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    The mystery method doesn't work in college...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighTower View Post
    The mystery method doesn't work in college...
    well I have this pretty much wrapped around my head now but can someone offer me some advice on how I can approach or carry a conversation every time we meet considering this is a college day game?

    One problem I find with all these moves is, it gets you introduced to the beautiful girl but when you see her again in class... What are you going to say? The material is out from then on. You can't possibly be arguing with your friend every week about some stupid issue like brushing or flossing first.. if you know what I mean? lol..

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    First of all, your over analysing things. It is a common mistake when you first get into gaming. It is even worse if you are gaming college or highschool age girls. You will have much more success with a more natural gaming style. Read "conquer your campus" and maybe some of Gamblers stuff.

    In scenario 1, one of the ways you could have dealt with it, would have been to walk by the girl, then do a double take, and start a conversation. It could have been anything, from how you just noticed that you don't know her name even though you sit behind her every day. Or something about some characteristic you noticed from your view. As soon as you have engaged her, you just sit down next to her while your taking. It would be completely natural.

    peacocking is generally considered to be out dated everywhere, but it especially is a bad fit in a class room type setting. If you want to use elements of peacocking, make it subtle, like an interesting necklace or ring, or a funny shirt. It should not make women notice you as much as it will give them something to talk about, if they really want to talk to you, but don't know what to say.

    We have been a little rough on you, but you are only starting out. Don't give up, you'll get it with some practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunsnglory View Post
    First of all, your over analysing things. It is a common mistake when you first get into gaming. It is even worse if you are gaming college or highschool age girls. You will have much more success with a more natural gaming style. Read "conquer your campus" and maybe some of Gamblers stuff.

    In scenario 1, one of the ways you could have dealt with it, would have been to walk by the girl, then do a double take, and start a conversation. It could have been anything, from how you just noticed that you don't know her name even though you sit behind her every day. Or something about some characteristic you noticed from your view. As soon as you have engaged her, you just sit down next to her while your taking. It would be completely natural.

    peacocking is generally considered to be out dated everywhere, but it especially is a bad fit in a class room type setting. If you want to use elements of peacocking, make it subtle, like an interesting necklace or ring, or a funny shirt. It should not make women notice you as much as it will give them something to talk about, if they really want to talk to you, but don't know what to say.

    We have been a little rough on you, but you are only starting out. Don't give up, you'll get it with some practice.
    Yeah.. I can't wait to get that book now. I guess I might've over analyzed but here's the weird thing. Girl B's legs were not only crossed away from me, her shoes were pointed away from me as well. That's why I got over sensitive about it. I wasn't sure if she's still interested anymore. Another thing is, she stopped those hair flipping signs that she normally would do. It seemed like she suddenly got overly comfortable (again this could be over analysis).

    Here's another question: To wait or not to wait for the girl after class. Which one is better? Is it necessary to just say "I'm going to my next class" to preserve value?

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    If you can naturally fall into line with her on the way out of class, then by all means talk to her. If you really strike up a conversation, keep talking for a little bit. However, it needs to look, and be natural. Think about it this way: If you weren't interested in her at all, except maybe as an interesting person who might make a nice friend, would your action be natural? If you can't say yes to that, then don't do it. You don't want to make it look like your spending extra time to her.

    That changes as soon as you can hook her on some sort of common interest. Once you have established some sort of rapport, then it is natural for you to go a little out of your way to talk to her.

    One thing that I found to be effective, in the class room setting, is to try to get study groups together for tests and such. You already have good rapport with the women right behind her. Strike up a conversation with them, and then get them to agree to meet with you at a coffee shop to study (maybe before a test), then turn to the girl you like, and say, "Hey, you should come too." You might mention some indicator of why you think she would be beneficial to the study group. It is a light engagement, but it will help you establish the rapport that you need, so that you can strike up conversation with her at any time, and build attraction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunsnglory View Post
    If you can naturally fall into line with her on the way out of class, then by all means talk to her. If you really strike up a conversation, keep talking for a little bit. However, it needs to look, and be natural. Think about it this way: If you weren't interested in her at all, except maybe as an interesting person who might make a nice friend, would your action be natural? If you can't say yes to that, then don't do it. You don't want to make it look like your spending extra time to her.

    That changes as soon as you can hook her on some sort of common interest. Once you have established some sort of rapport, then it is natural for you to go a little out of your way to talk to her.

    One thing that I found to be effective, in the class room setting, is to try to get study groups together for tests and such. You already have good rapport with the women right behind her. Strike up a conversation with them, and then get them to agree to meet with you at a coffee shop to study (maybe before a test), then turn to the girl you like, and say, "Hey, you should come too." You might mention some indicator of why you think she would be beneficial to the study group. It is a light engagement, but it will help you establish the rapport that you need, so that you can strike up conversation with her at any time, and build attraction.
    Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely give this a try in the coming week. I'll report back soon. BTW, is it important that I build Kino Escalation with her at this point?

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    Yes and no. You want to build Kino as soon as possible in any relationship, but the classroom setting makes it kinda hard. Once you have established a little rapport, you can do things like nudging her in class, brushing something out of her hair, and lightly bumping her leg. All of those things, sans the nudging, are suggestive, so you want to be on easy terms with her before you try them. That is why it is much easier to get her out of the classroom, ie to coffee or something, where you can be a little more flirty and build kino.

    One thing you have going for you, is that there is a certain bit of professionalism expected in the classroom. Once you get her out of that setting, you can immediately be more friendly and push the kino. For instance, when you meet her for coffee, if you can do it boldly, and naturally, just go for a hug as soon as you meet her. You should alway hug women that you know. So if she is somewhat open, just say something like, "Hey!" and give her a hug as soon as you see her (at the coffee shop, or whatever). That may not be possible, you have to judge. However, if you can't get that type of kino going right away, or early, your job is going to be much, much more difficult. If you have those other women there (from class), they will be much more open to a hug, so give them hugs first, and then just naturally turn to her.

    Another thing to keep an eye out for:
    If there are multiple people when you meet, and probably that is going to be the only way you will be able to get her to come meet you outside of class, be nice to them all, and flirt with them all a fair amount. You don't want to focus on her at first. In fact, it is often better to flirt with the target a little bit less than the rest of the people to begin with. That way she will subconciously feel that she needs to prove her self to you. As soon as she makes an active interest to be part of the group, specifically if it plays to a conversation or question that you started, show a little bit of approval or interest, and slowly give her more attention. Also keep the kino up, by being touchy, in a friendly way with everyone. Be a little more suggestive with her (Obviously, late in the meeting).

    If she agrees to a an event, that is an excellent time to get her number. It is natural to ask for it, because you may need to let her know if the plans change. Once you have hung out with her, you can safely start txting game. I or some of the other people on the forum can help you with that. I hate txting, but God invented txting for PUA's like us. It is amazing how much you can accomplish with it.

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    Update coming for Girl A

    I was walking to class this morning and I saw her walking infront of me. I saw this as an opportunity for Kino Escalation so I went playfully around her (without her noticing) tapped her on the opposite shoulder to get her looking the other way so when she looks back she sees me. Check mark on the initial Kino. The plan worked like a charm. She started talking to me about how she got sick and the walnuts that we've received on the way to school this morning. She wants to share with me about her life, check mark #2. We went into the class room and as I pass by, I see my decoys so I stop for a few seconds to talk to her saying "Are you going to come with with us after?" Decoy says "yes". Check mark #3 attained. Once I had my decoy in place along with 2 of her friends, now we have a social group including Girl A. I started off talking a lot to the decoy isolating Girl A slightly (hoping to build a little dhv there) and then went about to include her into the conversations. She picked up on it and quickly joined the group. Check mark#4 attained. At this point, I can still see she's attracted to me and things are going the way it should be. Everything felt a lot more natural rather than me trying to be mr.jerkus to get her attention.

    Now, the only problem is when I proposed the "let's go study together" thing, Decoy was so into her own essay due tmr that she didn't care what I had to offer and basically said something in the lines of "let's just wait until my essay is done first before we talk". I didn't continue any further and just left it at that. Girl A reacted with "hmm...." but didn't say yes or no.

    Alright guys, it's the moment of truth. Please rate how well my progress is and what I should do to try to inject the idea of "study group" without sounding too forceful. I will see them all tomorrow in tutorial.

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    Sounds like your making real progress. Keep up the good work. You may not want to believe it, but the hardest part of the job is out of the way. The target woman knows you exist, and you have established some commonality and rapport.

    I would bring up the study plan again, and if you can get any of the women involved, do it. Even if you don't get the target in on it, just tell her, it is "Her Loss". Then you can casually bring up later, how you guys had a good time, and learned a lot. If she shows interest and regret for not making it, you can offer to include her next time, and you might even mention that you have some spare time, to catch her up to date, one on one.

    If you can't get the group to the study group, pretend like it doesn't matter. Just say, that you have plenty to do anyway, and maybe next time, it will work out. Then just keep ramping up the attraction. You also want to elevate Kino a little more. Try to work up to a hug when you see the one girl each day. You might mention, that she looks like she could use a hug, if she says no, then say, "Well, it can't hurt", and spread you arms and go for it. If she starts to look defensive, drop one hand, and pat her on the back with the other, then playfully tell her that she is "No fun."

    Other Note:
    Now that you have established some rapport, you can feel free to be a little more direct in your attraction to the target. It is also all right to actively seek a conversation with her. Since you know her now, it is natural to want to see how she is doing and such.

    Another Option:
    Since you have already established a pretense of wanting to get to know her as a friend, you have an opportunity to get her out all by herself. You can ask her if her day is really hectic. If she says no, mention that you don't have a lot going on either, and since you guys have hit it off so well, you should go to coffee later in the afternoon and get to know each other.


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