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    Default Epic fail... totally owned by Hb8!


    Its Saturday afternoon and its been a while since I went sarging. So I put my best gear on and head to the closest local mall.I walk into a "Cowboy Apparel" store and am immediately greeted by a "Grenade" (the store manager) who I smile at but ignore. Then an "HB8" approaches me that works there.
    (keep in mind this approach starts out as expected but goes to hell in the end)


    Hb8: Can I help you with anything?
    Me: Yea sure..ah...wait a second...are you German..you have got a huge accent!
    Hb8: Nooo...haha..my family is Norwegian but I was born here in the States. So are you looking for particular type of shoes?
    Me: Yea...what do you think would look better.. the point edge or the squared?
    Hb8: I dont know..it all depends on the person...I think either one would work on you?
    ------ While I am trying on different shoes..
    Me: So random question...do girls or guys lie more?
    Hb8: I think they both do..but again that depends also.
    Me: I disagree...girls do...and they are good at hiding it too..
    Hb8: Oooook...where did this all come from?
    Me: Well I am entitled to my opinion...
    Hb8: Well...I do really have a problem with girls here...I miss my hometown girls and my horses too
    Me: Wait..I love horses...you must be a thrill seeker and you know what they say about thrill seekers?
    Hb8: What?
    Me: They are very visual when they think (some bullshit I made up on spot)
    Hb8: Really?
    Me: Well I really have to go but there is a visualization exercise that I use to allow people to learn more about their subconcious....lets play a game!
    Hb8: Well I didnt come here to play games! haha
    Me: I know...you are helping me pick out shoes ...so sush.
    ------ I pull the cube routine on her
    Hb8: Nice..you were pretty spot on...do you know about different colors and assocaited personalities?
    Me: As a matter of fact I do.
    Hb8: Yea i love talking about that kind of stuff
    Me: Yea its cool..but I have to go now...how can we continue this conversation in the future?
    Hb8: I dont think we should..I have a boyfriend.
    Me: I didnt ask you that.
    Hb8: I know but still! haha
    (I take a step back..wash rinse repeat)
    Me: Oh wait a sec..I almost forgot about the shirts...show me where they are?
    Hb8: Yea come on!
    ---Hb8 stands there for 20 minutes while I look at shirts..there are plenty of other customers in the store and her manager keeps looking at her noticing that she is just giving her undivided attention to me
    Hb8: So which shirt are you getting?
    Me: None! They all look like they have been worn for a year by other people. You know I just moved here and the apartments here are run down. Where do you recommend staying?
    HB8: Well where do you live now?
    Me: Apartment Name
    ----Hb8 turns red and keeps herself from laughing
    Me: Whats so funny?
    Hb8: Nevermind!
    Me: Well..now ur gonna have to tell me
    Hb8: I live there too actually!
    -----A couple of customers ask her for help....so she goes to help them. I walk away just to see if she will follow me. I also notice she is talking to her manager, giggling and smiling.then five minutes
    later she finds me!
    Me: Woah..are you creeping on me or something??
    Hb8: NO! haha..you are the one creeping on me!
    Me: Wait a second...(I point to her shoes)..did you get those from North Pole..those look pretty run down
    Hb8: No they do not! haha
    Me: ohh...wait...is that wig( pointing to her hair)...well it looks good anyway!
    Hb8: You are sooo full of yourself..haha
    Me: Well I am running really late...I have to go....do you have facebook?
    Hb8: Yes I do but I dont use it.
    Me: Do you have an email?
    Hb8: No...I am not very technology friendly..thats what phones are for
    Me: I have to run..nice meeting you...(I offer to shake her hands...BIG FARKING MISTAKE)
    Hb8: (Smiles and backs away)..I doooooont thinkkkkk sooo!


    This gets my by surprise. I have NEVER had a girl do that to me..but again I have never offered to shake a girls hand either. I figure she spent over an hour following me, so I figured I would respectfully leave her and depart.I was FARKING OWNED. I know I made a mistake by offering my hand but I think things starting doing downhill earlier... what do I need to fix boys? Be harsh...I will take the criticism.

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    Default Re: Epic fail... totally owned by Hb8!

    I don't think it went downhill earlier, you said towards the end that five minutes later she found you (otherwise she would have tried to avoid you). Offering your hand probably ruined the whole thing, otherwise, I think you did quite well.

    It appears she has a boyfriend that she actually loves anyway, so I would probably move on from her.

    Next time, just don't offer your hand.
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    Default Re: Epic fail... totally owned by Hb8!

    She lives near you!! Just try to run into her without looking like a creeper.
    You lose some you win some, learn from your mistakes and get better!

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    Default Re: Epic fail... totally owned by Hb8!

    Yeah dude she thought u were needy with the whole handshake. I have warned guys about Hired Guns here before *sigh*. But glad u closed her well just didn't take the rejection well by a needy handshake. I don't know what's the problem I usually shake hands when we exchange names. I offered my hand last night to an HB9 and started grabbing her and she loved this. So no problemo u were just shaking hands at the inappropriate time cuz u didn't successfully close her. If u had successfully closed her she would have been down to play with your hand. But seeing things go south and a girl rejects me I will never close them or try to shake their hand cuz that's weak and AFC. You should learn to pick up on when u get the rejection not to close them or try to touch them in any way since they are close-minded at that point. Being rejected as many times as I have I have a second nature to know if I should or should not close based upon the rejections. So I either back away, walk away, or close the set depending on the interaction. I closed a girl with a handshake and got playfully swatted for it so it was a nice reward for a well played Kino session on my part. I have a thing against Hired Guns man and it's embarrassing stuff like this Hired Guns will always pull stunts like this. That's why I tread very carefully with them if at all. I like gaming women not tied down by the social pressure of work. Just better that way. But we'll see.

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    Default Re: Epic fail... totally owned by Hb8!

    Don't beat yourself up. That was a great interaction. The handshake was a bit odd at that point, but so what. It's not about making mistakes and trying to be the smoothest. It's how you handle them after. You kept your cool so you're golden. I honestly think she just really cares about her bf.

    Next time I'd give her plausible deniability when getting the number. Getting the number while still roughly in attraction phase is risky. It's preferred if you're in comfort phase first. Otherwise just invite her somewhere. If you don't get there I just offer my number. I'll write it down and hand it to her. I'll use my favorite line "In case you're in the mood for taking chances." Then walk away.

    All in all you'll bump into her again. I'm sure this isn't over.
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."

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    Default Re: Epic fail... totally owned by Hb8!

    Even if I'm rejected I'll still go for a hug at the end, or at least a handshake. To me, it's not dependent on the interaction unless it went completely south, it's just a courteous gesture that you enjoyed talking to them. So, I wouldn't sweat the handshake. It was more or less a shit test on her part. As long as you didn't show that it effected you, you're golden.

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    Default Re: Epic fail... totally owned by Hb8!

    I once got an email address from a girl who worked at an electronics store. I found out she had a boyfriend but still exchanged one or two emails with her. It didn't go anywhere mainly because of the bf. The bf is a big obstacle. I'd say it's usually best to just walk away after she mentions she has a bf. Not impossible but it depends. If she was just a customer but smiled at you even after she told you she had a bf I would probably go for it(this happened to me once although I didn't do much after she mentioned a bf). YOu need to go by her voice and body language when it comes to this stuff. If she's working it's probably not a good time to try to pick her up(with some exceptions like if you already knew her from somewhere else).

    Putting your hand out was a mistake but like you said it started to go south before that. Listen, women love the attention even if they have boyfriends and even if they aren't interested in you. A lot of times they will just make up that they have a boyfriend and you will probably never know the difference anyway. I would advise on going to bars and clubs and doing daygame with women who are not working first then work your way up(if you must and if you can even call it that).

    Another thing; don't frame it as you getting owned. Frame it as her having no sense of humor and not being a fun person. Would you really want to be with such a snobby uptight b**** anyway? I didn't think so. You need to qualify her as much as she might be qualifying you(if not more so). You are the prize so why settle for a woman who is a)not showing you much interest and b)not much fun either. Your biggest mistake was not bailing out sooner. Also, you could say you were looking for something for your ex girlfriend who you are still friends with(if there's a woman's department).

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    Default Re: Epic fail... totally owned by Hb8!

    damn bro have you read game simplified from tobealpha? you almost had her! sounds like she was definitely attracted otherwise she wouldnt have hung around! you shoudl go back to the store and see if she remembers you. maybe she was just being funny?


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