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Old 12-08-2009, 11:33 PM
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Hey guys, I'm starting to take initiative in talking to girls that I don't know and taking my first baby steps out of my comfort zone.

I'm still not at the stage where I can start cold approaching girls to practice getting rejected yet. However, my goal is that I will eventually get to know every girl in my tutorial and not only that, but make friends with all the guys in the room as well.

I will use this single thread to report back my progress as I go along and things I've realized and how I've applied the material I've learned from different PUAs, where my mistakes are, how I think I can improve.

I'm hoping to get some feedback along the way as well so I know if I the way I'm think of approaching in the future is productive or not.

So here goes.

Story 1:
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My goal - To talk to a hot Girl/Women. Length of time did not matter. I'm just there to open.

I'm attending a study group session at my university's library. I walk into the lounge area and I saw my hot TA from a class. I think she was marking our exams. I was thinking if I should approach her and to be honest, I really wanted to try it out. Knowing that she's my TA, I figured I couldn't be blown out no matter what so I did a double take on her and in 1.5 seconds I went in.

I used gambler's familiarity technique on her and she was surprised that I said hi to her because she was so into what she was doing. I had a slight jolt because I was surprised I actually went in, but because I've already committed, it would be odd if I just backed out so I had to continue. I quickly sat down to anchor myself naturally diagonally across from her. This gave safe distance and yet allowed me to actively engage in a conversation with her.

One thing I've learned from Gambler's videos is that women are afraid of awkwardness. I think a few people on this forum have also mentioned this. This is good because I could use it to my advantage knowing that if I didn't know what to say she would try to at least get a conversation going and I wouldn't look like a freak.

We exchanged a few words and she did a quick hair flip (almost signifying "omg, I gotta do a hair check, this guy is talking to me"). I told her that I was only going to stay for a while and that I'm waiting for my study buddies (time constraint). We then chatted some more about school stuff and I was rushing to finish my notes for the study group so I didn't continue the conversation, but I could've continued to ask her about what she wanted to pursue in life (qualification). I would be totally gaming her.

All through this process I was only slightly nervous once I went past the opening. She looked nervous at first but remained calm after. I guess the PUAs were right. The girl being approached is just as nervous as the guy approaching her. It's a mutual feeling.


Things to improve next time:
1) Finish my home work so I can actually talk to the girl
2) be even more confident than this time and try to stay away from "how is it going?"
3) Need to work on getting around to being cocky and funny.
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Field Report#2 (Yesterday's openings):

Purpose: To practice just opening with girls and guys. Open as much as I could as instructed by Instinct.

Details: Alright folks, I'm at it again trying to open random people. This is me after my exams on the night that I failed with Girl A. I felt kinda Sh1tty so I decided to build my confidence by trying something crazy.

I got to the bus terminal in my subway station. I needed a break on the subway with all the defeated thoughts from Girl A. So now I'm ready to get back into the game and try again. I see this guy well dressed and confident looking standing in between 2 lines.

I walked up to him and asked

Me: Hey are you in line? (This is a stupid question but just for me to open him)
Man: Yeah
Me: which one are you in?
Man: Doesn't matter
Me: Oh ok cause I didn't want to look like I'm taking advantage of you
Man: naw.. it's ok *looks away*

Hmm... not sure what happened there. Is it because I was asking closed questions? How could I have carried a better conversation here?

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I look infront of me and I see this girl totally covered up (it's -12 degrees here). Now to give you guys a bit of bg info, girls love to "look and see if buses are coming" because it gives them a chance to check out the guys that are standing behind them.

I saw this girl doing the "bus check" and feeling a little bit defeated from the guy mentioned above, my body automatically went into "give up" type of attitude (I started looking away) when the girl looked right into my eyes.

All of a sudden my body just lit up and I had this retarded expression on my face (eyes moving to look away with a automatically smile for greeting). Luckily things didn't turn out too bad and the girl seemed receptive so I began talking to her.

Me: Wow you look cold

Girl *shaking*: yeah it's freezing

Me: yeah I know.. I was out with friends eatting dinner a while ago and we had to walk a little to get back to the station and I was half frozen!

Girl: haha

Me *sees the girl carrying a school bag* : so you're all done your exams?

Girl: No, not yet

Me: oh ok cause I'm done all mine.

Girl looks away and stops talking to me.

Ok so something bad happened there but again, I can't seem to figure out how to get her to relax and talk more about herself. How should I direct this conversation to make it more effective?

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Last opening:

I was on my way up my apartment and I saw this women with her daughter carrying a wreath. I decided to do a last open with some confidence built up from the previous opening. I smiled at the women and said the following:

Me: You're going to add lights on it?
Women: oh no, it's too much work. I'm just going to put some decorations on it
Me: Oh yeah? Where are you planning to put this? On the balcony?
Women: No, It's going to be infront of the door
Me: Oh!

*Elevator door opens. I say my good byes and leave*

I don't know how far this opening would've taken me but I lacked time to find out what would happen next.

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Field Report 3 (today's opening):

Purpose: Try to talk to guys/girls (mainly hot girls) in fashion stores

Result: Failed. I couldn't do any. Before you guys start throwing tomatoes at me, give me some chance to explain.

When I see people on the street (eg: on the subway/bus terminal) I seem to be able to pick out something they're doing at that moment and use that as an opening. With store people, the topic seems to be forced around the items and I don't know where to go from there.

I'm not sure how to make it natural. There's no topic for me to open with. Can someone please give me some advice? There are 2 examples I can give what happened today. The first one is with a mexican looking women in a store. She smiled at me and said hi. I said hi back. I wanted to say something to her and chat her up but I couldn't think of anything to say. It's not that I was nervous and I couldn't say anything to her, it's just that my mind went blank.

The second one is meeting this really beautiful blond girl at a fashion store. She looked at me once and then stopped looking at me (kept looking away from me).

She only spoke to my mom (yeah.. I was shopping with her) and she did a quick IOI (played with her hair) and I really wanted to say something to her, but nothing came out.
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^^ we'll go over this tonight, off the top of my head, we need to give you a few interesting canned places to go, and you are entering really boring, we gotta make you entertaining, she has to really want to hear what you are going to say next, not just put up with hearing you talk.
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Ok so today I've finally expanded to talking to Girl A's friend (who I also think is an HB 8.5-9) and it's a little awkward because our intro was... ok there was none.

It was a very casual conversation (I'm trying to take a few steps back to create a genuine conversation before seduction) and when Girl A comes a long, things start to change. She would ask about Girl A's Bf, talk about Jam and nutrients in food that I know nothing about.

The worse part is those 2 were so into each other it's as if Girl A seduced her! I was practically non-existent.

Then she went on about old people and eating a lot of dessert and crap.. I was overwhelmed. I couldn't say Sh1t and I even got DLVed by Girl A.

I was like "farkkkkkkk....." She always uses some physical aspect to DLV me. For example "I love dating guys who're overly skinny and smaller than me. My Boyfriend luckily is one of those asians with a bigger body but he'd have much smaller hands and feet than mine." She then looks at me.

I mean, I don't even know how to react to that one, I just got shoved iced cold in the water. And she's been blowing me back since last week. I need some help here.

I've got 3 questions.

1) How do you lead girls back into your playing field when they say things that you have NO IDEA wtf they're talking about?

2) How do you defend from a DLV like this one?

3) If girl A randomly makes a comment about sex (eg: I get excited when I see condoms), what does it mean??? Is it like she's horny? Is she trying to indirectly seduce me? What is she getting out of it?
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How do you lead girls back into your playing field when they say things that you have NO IDEA wtf they're talking about?

Hmm... you can do any of the following things:
1) leave
2) act bored and uninterested
3) throw in something you do know about (and if they don't know about it too and says so, then say you had no idea what they were discussing earlier either but thought that was the point)
4) ask them to tell you more about what they're talking about (if you're charming, you can get them to talk the topic to death through questions and you'll soon hear the end of it)
5) throw them off by a very curious question ("hey, say, did you color your hair? have you ever? I just wondered how young girls start coloring their hair... would you know?" or "have you ever tried that deatchclock thing? when are you supposedly going to die? i tried it and it said i should be dying about now" )



If girl A randomly makes a comment about sex (eg: I get excited when I see condoms), what does it mean??? Is it like she's horny? Is she trying to indirectly seduce me? What is she getting out of it?

Either she's bored, testing you or wanting to create interest in her. Whatever's the reason, I'd say she's a waste of time... and am a girl
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Pinai... not really a complaint though but you're sort of cool and seem to think like a guy, so would the things you say apply to other women?
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I'd say this is only a generalization. Also, she is basing this under how she would react. This does not represent the hearts of every women, but you can certainly use this as a general estimate of what MOST would do.

Thanks for the input Pinai. We're slowly entering the friend zone but the initial move was to try things out on her. I'd love to actually be with her, but knowing that I won't jump from an AFC to a PUA, this isn't surprising at all.
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Hey guys, I've made some progress so far and I've had lots of mess ups. I want to document this for myself, but I also want to share with you on things I did well and things I didn't do so hot on. If you see something that I can improve on, please feel free to comment.

So ever since Christmas break ended, I've pretty much farked myself over by cutting ties with Girl A (instinct knows this). The reason is because I've been told many times by people on this forum, instinct and even GnG that I'm being gamed so I started to feel resentment towards her.

I find that I do this with girls that I like all the time and I don't know the reason to this. I have this great passion for them and then after a while, I may get info from someone that the girl is just playing me and then I get this HUGE hatred against her for weeks until I finally blow her away into the friends zone and then I regret.

Anyway, the way things are working out is that we don't contact each other as much. She tried to initiate a 2 weekly events for us to go to (I indirectly rejected her on one of them) and she got kinda ticked off and said "fine!" and it wasn't a playful "fine" it was a "fine, bitch!" tone.

Now she's talking to the other white girl and she's locking me out. I tried to invite her to a few events but she flakes. I've had lunch with her just the day before. She said she needed to go to the washroom so I thought since we've already built rapport, waiting wouldn't look that weird.

I came out of the washroom myself and waited and she basically left. I caught onto Girl A today when she was leaving and said "hey, you left without me yesterday" and her response was "but I thought we said bye to each other, I told you I was going to the washroom".

Then there's the awkward silence (I felt so Sh1tty... I knew I AFCed) and girl A's friend was there to witness this too. I need some help out of this. Any ideas?

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Scenario 2:

I knew this girl (let's call her Jen) from class last year and I think she's interested in me. We haven't seen each other for about a year now and suddenly she appears in my class for this term.

This class runs once a week. However, during the 2 weeks of class I was unable to approach her and she's looked at me for a bit, but I wasn't strong enough so I afced on her and now she's locking me out too.

She usually hangs with a girl and a guy. My question is, if I know this girl, I wouldn't approach her using the method of "hey, how are you guys doing?" would I? How can I open up the group and disarm the guy at the same time?

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Scenario 3 (Attempt on talking about sex):

This is one of the happier scenarios out of all the negative ones I've posted so far. I was able to gain an opportunity to talk to her about "spanking" this girl (let's call her light). Then I txted her about sth I misunderstood about a teacher's email.

I freaked her out and then when she corrected me she wrote 'so who's spanking who now?' While I was thinking of a way to respond she suddenly txts back and says 'haha you're too funny- goodnite', which I thought was weird.

Today, I was able to bring up the spanking topic again and she seemed cool with it. In fact, all of I have to do now is start to kino escalate a lot faster and MAYBE this will lead somewhere... stay tuned.

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Sticky points I have currently:

- Unable to carry a long conversation. If the girl isn't social herself, I'll have a hard time trying to find things to say

- I've noticed that I have issues talking to guys too (I'm going to start opening guys more now just for sake of practice) topics die really fast

Does anyone have any topics that are more or less universal that I can use when talking to guys/girls to practice general rapport building?
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Yup. You do have a problem with guys too. Maybe you should try approaching more people and chatting them up, girls and guys alike, just so you won't feel stumped just because a girl you like is hanging out with a guy. How do you approach them? Either ask an opinion about something, "Hey you guys, you think i should do this or that?" or ask them something situational, "Hey you guys, what do you think is the deal with so and so?"

Be creative but don't overthink it. Don't aim for long chats... just open them up first, get them talking to you. Then next meeting, approach them again. Slowly escalate if you must but no more steps backward.
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Today's report:

Scenario 1:
I started chatting up a girl (let's call her H0) with some rapport already built. My opening was

Me: hey, did you grab this? Free paper from the university!
H0: No way!
Me: Yeah man, he was just around the corner from this building.
H0: I want paper, you think we still have time?
Me: Of course, half the class is still not here yet.
H0: Ok, but I don't want to go alone.
Me: Yeah, I'll come with you.
Other girls: Can we come too?
Me: Sure, join us!

So we start walking down the hall way and I bump into my buddy Wingman Sam (instinct knows this) and I said "Sam, did you get free paper?" Sam says "naw man, where?" I said "come, let's go get paper".

Then another guy from our class that I don't know very well walks down the hall way and I said "hey, did you get free paper?" The guy says "no" and I said "come with us, let's go get paper". H0 starts giggling because now I've accumulated half the class following me to go grab paper!

I felt like the moment at that point almost wished I could pop out of my shell and take a pic for you guys to look at.

When we got there, the guy stopped handing out paper and I looked at him and said

me: Hey man, are you still giving out paper?
paper man:yeah, but we're kinda out right now
me: Oh you serious? I brought all my friends to come support you.
*Paper man giggles and searches for some paper left in the boxes*
Paper man: oh, I've found 2, here you go.
Sam (natural wingman): So why are you giving out paper?
*paper man explains why*
Sam: oh cool, when is more paper coming?
Paper man: in 10 mins.
Sam: oh we gotta go back to class, but thanks a lot man.

We marched back into the classroom and that was the Bradpit moment that I had. It felt awesome!

Scenario 2:
The korean girl from my Chinese class has just kinoed me from last class and I wanted to open her, but chickened out. Couldn't get over opening. Will try harder next week.

Scenario 3 (first official cold approach):

I got upset after failing to approach the Korean girl from scenario 2 so I decided to give myself a challenge to feel better. The challenge was to approach a REAL stranger (a woman) and talk to her. Open, try to push convo (if possible), eject.

I missed a few opportunities to talk to her (still having problems with AA) and I made a bet to myself "if this girl sits in the train with no one else sitting next to her, it is fate that I need to approach. Indeed, the girl sat alone on the train with very few people around.

I approached from afar, there's 2 woman (1 in her 30s and the other in her 60s sitting across from her). I sat down next to her (she looked a little bit uncomfortable) and I opened with

Me: Excuse me, quick question, are you Japanese?

HB7: No.

Me: Oh that's interesting, cause you looked Japanese and I was hoping for someone to practice with. <- I was totally not prepared for this type of response

HB7 smiles and takes out the daily magazine given out at the subway station and starts reading. The 60 year old granny smirks and the convo went dead.

I waited until the our last stop came and decided to push my convo even further and see how it goes.

Me: So, you're Chinese then? <- Haha, I should've said that much earlier.
HB7:Yea
Me: And you speak Mandarin?
HB7: yeah
Me: (Mandarin: I'm currently learning both Mandarin and Japanese)
HB7: oh.. cool. Are you Chinese or Japanese?
Me: (Mandarin: I'm Chinese.)
HB7: ic.. No one has ever said I looked like Japanese before.
Me: (Mandarin: Oh it's your image and the way you styled yourself that made you look Japanese.)

Train stops and everyone gets out. It starts to look awkward, I didn't know if I should be following her (I think it's a bad idea) or how I could eject from the scenario. She stood to the side of the rail and I took the opportunity to walk ahead.

I looked back at her, smiled and said "I'm gonna go first, see you." she waves and I ejected safely.

Things I've learned today:
1) Do not sit down until you've opened successfully.
2) TIME CONSTRAINT!
3) build up better improvisation skills
4) Work on topic transition
5) Cold approach wasn't so bad, I should do it more often.

Things I'm wondering
1) In a scenario where I'm on a subway train with lots of empty seats and very little people, what do I do when I fail to open? What's the best way to eject?

2) Are there any better ways I could've opened? what are they?

3) I couldn't seem to even hit Rapport stage with her, what can I do to make her feel more comfortable?
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I was like "farkkkkkkk....." She always uses some physical aspect to DLV me. For example "I love dating guys who're overly skinny and smaller than me. My Boyfriend luckily is one of those asians with a bigger body but he'd have much smaller hands and feet than mine." She then looks at me.

I mean, I don't even know how to react to that one, I just got shoved iced cold in the water. And she's been blowing me back since last week. I need some help here.

I've got 3 questions.

1) How do you lead girls back into your playing field when they say things that you have NO IDEA wtf they're talking about?

2) How do you defend from a DLV like this one?

3) If girl A randomly makes a comment about sex (eg: I get excited when I see condoms), what does it mean??? Is it like she's horny? Is she trying to indirectly seduce me? What is she getting out of it?
she tries to DLV me like that and ill call her on it. Im going to be more cocky than funny but still will work on delivering both. maybe neg her.

" seems like you have more fun by yourself than with BF"

or

"dont look at my hands that way, these babies can melt you away"

then laugh a bit. maybe use both. If shes trying to DLV me shes giving me permission to go guns blazing on her. Like David D says "Dont tolerate second class behavior"
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Today I got a chance to eat lunch with Girl A again. It wasn't on purpose and I think our attraction towards each other had really died down because she wouldn't even bother waiting for me anymore and just left.

I wanted a cheap breakfast so I went to where she'd normally go for breakfast and obviously she was there. We chatted a little bit and I felt that I told a way better story than I had before (thanks instinct), but I still feel that there aren't enough expression and details given in my story compared to the story that she was telling me.

I noticed something weird after a while, she suddenly seemed out of focus. She started doing a CRAZY hair flip (which I thought was kinda weird) and it was on and on.

Now, Instinct had advised me to play with her hair and say "what's up with the hair? you're touching it like crazy" so I did after taking up a huge courage. I don't feel I had carried it out the way instinct would've wanted me to, but regardless I was able to do it.

She said "I do it when I'm trying to remember things" <- BS right there.

Just then, a guy walked past our table so I guessed she must've been checking out guys but the hair flipping didn't stop. Eventually here eyes started squinting and her head tilted a little.

I looked back and saw a guy and she says "Where do I know you from" <- She's opening him?!

The guy just looks at her and says "________ class" and continues talking to the girl infront of him. She then tells me that he was in her mature class and was the only guy her age while the others were much older and thought he was cute.

I don't know guys, if you're talking to a girl (you may or may not like) and all of a sudden she goes off on a tangent trying to check out other guys, what will you do?

Remember, girls don't check out guys like we do with girls. It's semi-obvious but you can't pin-point her to it. In my case, she was studying so she'd look down at her notes once in a while which made it look more legit.
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why dont you cut your loses short instead of continue to invest into this girl? is shes checking other guys there and opening them is pretty clear that she may lost all attraction towards you. just accept it and keep it going. Most important, LEARN from this situation.
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We will talk tonight bro, I need your opinion on something anyway.
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working hard ...

keep up the good job. you are in the right game man.
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Update Feb 27:

I'm now gaming a new girl, let's call her Summer (not her real name).

Summer and I have really got to know each other in the last 1-2 weeks. She's in my Japanese class and now she's also in my literature course. She's a more quiet/conservative type of girl (although with her friends I know this can be different).

She's not a drop dead gorgeous girl, an HB 6.5 or so but she makes a pretty good practice target. I've managed to built some kino before my break from school (we had a 1 week break) and today I decided I want to try to kino escalate and even kiss close.

We finished our Japanese class and she said she was tired so we headed over to the building next door to grab a coffee. We sat and chatted for about 5 mins and I suggested we go somewhere less crowded (I need an isolated place). She didn't object and agreed.

Brought her back to where she stays to study quietly. She starts grabbing out a book that she reads and I stop her. I knew if she started reading my chance of kino escalating would be over instantly. The book sat on the table as I pulled this super long conversation with her.


I talked for another 5-10 mins and then suddenly said "do you know anything about sociology/psychology?" And she says "no" (perfect! She wouldn't know if I was BSing or not) and said "let's do this test". So I told her to put her hand on mine. This is the part where she started to look a bit nervous.

I gave her hand a slow and gentle squeeze and I could see she jolted a little. As I started to move my hand around, I noticed her hand wasn't following me much but rather just edging on as if she was expecting something bad to happen. I then followed style's way of explaining to her what the test was. And she told me she thought I was playing the kid's game where the guy would suddenly slap her on the back of her hand.

I knew through this calibration that she was not ready at all and in fact, I think I'm even freaking her out so I backed down a little and turned that into an actual game of slapping the back of the hand.

--- An hour pass --------

I can't believe I've made it this far with a girl. We went through talking about favorite foods to knowing that she's had 2 bfs, to her recently breaking up with her bf (she dumped him). I told her I needed to print a few pages for a reading I needed and we headed out.

The wind was blowing hard and it was crazy cold that day so I was able to help her put on her hood which involved my brushing her hair. She didn't seem to push me away or decline.

I can sense that she has SOME interest in me, but I maybe moving a little too fast. Using Instinct's idea, she told me that she knew how to cook food very well (learning from her mom) and she even offered to teach me (I think of this as giving me a chance to go on a date).

I haven't arranged anything yet, but I need some feedback on where I went wrong and how I can proceed better in this.

If you guys see where I went wrong or how I can improve my game better please feel free to leave a msg. I hope you've enjoyed my story as much as I've gone through it. It was certainly a different experience, and I was able to keep my cool most of the time without showing nervousness.
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Did you number close? I mean, you got her saying that she will teach you how to cook, but was the hand thing the first touch that you made? You need to be kino-pinging throughout. Also, I shouldn't give this away, but you were in what I call comfort 2, with an attraction 2 mindset (this isnt mystery method, his are named similiar though), as soon as she sits down give her a quick compliment, or say something of approval, then run through a few Sex Cycles (either a sexual tease or sexual innuendo/misunderstanding) mixed in with character cycles (either a rooting story with the theme being how you feel or felt about something, or a story that shows some form of vulnerability) mixed in with reward cycles (this is some form of BHRR but, you push the reward off with more bait and hooks as long as you can, before giving a very big reward, with perhaps a few minor intermittent rewards and releases mixed in, we call this slot theory), while kino plowing and moving foward. If she is way over qualifying herself, give her value, if she is not working for you hard enough, dont give her value, if she is starting to get nervous, run a character cycle, if the temperature is start to get low and slow, run a sex cycle. Make sense?



Bassicly, comfort 2 )which is everything after the first venue, but before sex is this


Open with qualification on the same day, or loving tease on the second or third ->

Cycle between (you will callibrate for when to do what over time)

Sexual Cycle (either a sexual tease or sexual innuendo/misunderstanding)
And
Character Cycles (either a rooting story with the theme being how you feel or felt about something, or a story that shows some form of vulnerability)
And
Reward cycles (this is some form of BHRR but, you push the reward off with more bait and hooks as long as you can, before giving a very big reward, with perhaps a few minor intermittent rewards and releases mixed in, we call this slot theory)

This is you verbal, your physical is kino plowing, when her body or voice says stop or no, just take a step back and keep doing the above like nothing happened, and then try again in a few minutes. 3 No's means good night. This is totally different then LMR or Seduction 1 (mystery model), this is Comfort 2 in his model.

Now here is a secret, it is called a statement of intention, you have to do this as you get closer to foreplay, and before it.#

Statement of intention - Any statement that passivly tell her that you are not going to change after sex.

Some examples are "I think we might be moving too fast" (as you keep going)
"I usually never go this far on the first date."
"I want to make sure that we do this the right way"

These are done after the first kiss, before foreplay.

Is that enough new info for one day?
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Great stuff, Instinct. Also good work M_W. You have come a long way since you first hit the forum.
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Did you number close? I mean, you got her saying that she will teach you how to cook, but was the hand thing the first touch that you made? You need to be kino-pinging throughout. Also, I shouldn't give this away, but you were in what I call comfort 2, with an attraction 2 mindset (this isnt mystery method, his are named similiar though), as soon as she sits down give her a quick compliment, or say something of approval, then run through a few Sex Cycles (either a sexual tease or sexual innuendo/misunderstanding) mixed in with character cycles (either a rooting story with the theme being how you feel or felt about something, or a story that shows some form of vulnerability) mixed in with reward cycles (this is some form of BHRR but, you push the reward off with more bait and hooks as long as you can, before giving a very big reward, with perhaps a few minor intermittent rewards and releases mixed in, we call this slot theory), while kino plowing and moving foward. If she is way over qualifying herself, give her value, if she is not working for you hard enough, dont give her value, if she is starting to get nervous, run a character cycle, if the temperature is start to get low and slow, run a sex cycle. Make sense?



Bassicly, comfort 2 )which is everything after the first venue, but before sex is this


Open with qualification on the same day, or loving tease on the second or third ->

Cycle between (you will callibrate for when to do what over time)

Sexual Cycle (either a sexual tease or sexual innuendo/misunderstanding)
And
Character Cycles (either a rooting story with the theme being how you feel or felt about something, or a story that shows some form of vulnerability)
And
Reward cycles (this is some form of BHRR but, you push the reward off with more bait and hooks as long as you can, before giving a very big reward, with perhaps a few minor intermittent rewards and releases mixed in, we call this slot theory)

This is you verbal, your physical is kino plowing, when her body or voice says stop or no, just take a step back and keep doing the above like nothing happened, and then try again in a few minutes. 3 No's means good night. This is totally different then LMR or Seduction 1 (mystery model), this is Comfort 2 in his model.

Now here is a secret, it is called a statement of intention, you have to do this as you get closer to foreplay, and before it.#

Statement of intention - Any statement that passivly tell her that you are not going to change after sex.

Some examples are "I think we might be moving too fast" (as you keep going)
"I usually never go this far on the first date."
"I want to make sure that we do this the right way"

These are done after the first kiss, before foreplay.

Is that enough new info for one day?
I never noticed how far I've gotten lol.. this is a bit frightening Thanks for the quick lesson, I need to learn how to calibrate better. It's the first time I've successfully made it this far with a girl (I've pushed further than Girl A now).

I feel I couldn't sexually handle Girl A, I just saw her party pic recently and she looked like Lady Gaga, which overwhelmed me a little (I never realized she could be like that).

With this girl, I feel more sexually confident and that I can handle things. Everyone's gotta start somewhere

I've already long number closed. We had a presentation 2 weeks back so I got her number already.


@GnG: Thanks Bro. This game is an on going learning process. All for the best.
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Update March 4 2010:

I didn't want things to be too obvious in class so we'd say hello and stuff but for the entire week, there was no connection between Summer and I. Today is the day where I'd get to sit with her for an entire hour (I call it my field test period). I wanted to kino her harder and start pushing for kiss close.

However, throughout the entire process, her body language seems closed. Her legs were crossed, her arms are crossed, she had one hand holding up her head. No matter how you look at it, she looked like a scrunched up tomato. There was no kino on her end and she propped out her book as usual.

Believe it or not, inspite of my recent successes, I'm also running into a potential crisis. I started to feel I'm reaching a plateau, my "popularity" with the girls seems lost after the reading week. I don't know what happened, but they just don't seem interested all of a sudden and I couldn't figure out what I did wrong.

Maybe it's cause my mood has been pretty Sh1tty myself, but I managed to force myself into talking with Summer and continuing my last success hoping to potentially Fclose (at a more private place of course).

Of course, things never went as expected. I was unable to stop her for propping out the book. I tried to carry on a conversation, but it started to look like I was beating a dead horse so I decided to just study for the quiz that we're going to have later today.

She tried once to re-initiate the conversation once, but she wasn't particularly the best talker so it ended up dying after I tried to save it for about a good 3 mins. Now I can tell she's a bit more serious. We waited until 12pm which it was time for her to go to her next class. I was able to regain some kino just before that, but it was no breakthrough compared to what I've done last time. I had re-initiated the convo about teaching me to cook and asked her if she's free on fridays. It seems like I got the green light although I did not formally set this up yet (I wanted to make it a bit more "random" rather than a formal date).

My goal for our first date (coming next week friday) would be:
1) Go out and buy groceries together
2) Go to her place and cook food together (learning how to cook a Shanghai dish)
3) Eat together at her house
4) Watch TV or w/e... just do some activity together
5) get tired and see if I could rest on her bed
6) Do a back massage
7) Try K close
8) F close???

Back to my story, I thought I've lost it all until the end of the second class. Ever since my first kino, she's not willing to sit with me without me saying a word. A weird thing that happened was she got cold in the class so she went to put on a jacket.

I was falling asleep at that point and all of a sudden she grabs my hand and places it on the book that she and I were sharing. I was shocked, SHE KINOED me. She grabbed my hand again and pushed it off when she was done wearing her jacket.

The girl to my right was watching and her eyes grew wide. When she leaves that class, she seems to know to automatically wait for me and walk out with me.

Today's a cold winter day so she kept shivering and I was trying hard to pull my guts to do the same thing I did with Girl A (put my arm around her). Knowing this girl is not so sexually open, I didn't want to make a drastic move that might scare her.

We walked side by side, arms almost touching and suddenly she grabbed my hand and hid behind me (I think this is another kino from her end) to shield herself from the wind. I playfully followed and didn't let her stand behind me. I got her to stand next to me and I started rubbing her arms like I was trying to warm her up.

We got to the usual intersection and we parted.

My thoughts

It started out as a pretty farked up field report. I've been feeling pretty low lately and I just can't get any energy going.

Conversing with people had been difficult these days and I just can't get any topics going with anyone. Summer really helped build my confidence on the next stage of things. Being able to kino her today pushed me forward in the game which made me feel I've accomplished something.

I was surprised how far I was able to build attraction. Her initial leg and arm crossing to her kinoing me back in the end really showed me that she also wanted me. My kino advances were not slowed at all by her and it seems like she really enjoyed the way I was touching her. Probably, it made her feel loved and we all know that's a feeling we all long for.

I wish to push things further on Friday. I'm getting so excited already.
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