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Thread: HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

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    Default HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

    Hey guys,

    I have a few awesome field reports I'd like to share, but first I've a Thanksgiving special to post that I'd like some advice with.

    LONG story made digestibly short:

    HB9 & I have been friends for 8 years. We've almost hooked up a few times in those 8 years. It never happened. Ever. When we first became friends, I was a chubby AFC. It was 8th grade. She went to college 2 hours away, but we still communicated a few times a year, and hung out at least once a year. It was always a fun time. The level of rapport with HB9 has always been incredibly deep.

    Fast forward to now. I'm in incredible shape, & have some serious social prowess. (Not to brag.) The transformation from beta to alpha has truly been breathtaking, as any of the 'ol high school people I ran into at the local watering hole the night before Thanksgiving will attest. ANYWAY--I texted HB9 because I thought I saw her there, she said she wasn't there. I got a ride home from the bar, and was about to fall asleep, when she asked me to hangout. I said I was too tipsy to drive (but sober to hang) and she needs to pick me up. She obliged. She drove us around, and I told her to sober up in my place. I took her downstairs, and went for the kiss. She gave me the cheek, then I gave a haughty laugh and said, "And he's denied. Crash & burn, folks. Show's over" She giggled, gave me the DDBL, and kissed me, then I grabbed her firmly, and we went at it. (Sidebar: I'm a fan of meta-humor. My comment showed that I wasn't affected in the slightest by rejection, found it amusing, and I made it playful.")

    As I grabbed her hand & led her to my room, she giggled & said, "Oh my God, I'm making out with Axl, and he's taking me to his room. This is happening."

    F-Close! We talked about how natural it felt, and she said it was the most natural hook-up she'd ever had. She stayed at my place till 11AM the next day. Also, she said there'd be a lot more of this.


    When she left, I walked her out & said I'd text her later. I did. We engaged in light playful chatter. After a bit, I fell asleep. We didn't talk the next day, then the following day, I sent her a picture of a sock she'd left at my house. We had a few quick messages, then I sent, "I don't like what you're implying. I'm canceling the honeymoon to Vegas, and taking the 2.356 kids. It's over"

    That text usually gets a positive response. It exaggerates my reaction to her sarcasm, plants the idea of "us" and gives her a reason to qualify. No response. It's been 1 day.

    I'm not terribly worried about this, but my question is this, what steps would the vets out there do to make this more of a relationship? I'm not relationship guy by any means, as I was in one for the longest time, got in excellent shape afterward, and have sharpened my skills. I'm getting a lot more f-closes, but I know I can land hotter girls, and higher numbers, however, I do generally have an interest in this girl, more than most. She hasn't dated anyone in 4-years, and says guys don't like her. She has admitted self-esteem issues, and severe father issues.

    Before we started fooling around (same night) we were talking about birthdays, and I mentioned taking her out for her birthday, since we are friends, and she said hers is always disappointing. She laughed. I told her again after we f-closed, and she laughed like I was just using a line. Her birthday is a few days before Christmas.

    I think the play here is to wait for her to respond to me, and if she doesn't (or even if she does) then text her close to her birthday about taking her out. What do you guys think? I feel a little different here because she isn't a girl that I started gaming from point A, this is a girl where both of us know each other really well. In the past, when I've f-closed friends, I didn't really have a vested interest in them, and they didn't have nearly as deep a rapport with me.
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    Default Re: HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

    Sidebar: I was really proud of this line, right before the close actually happened, "It's okay. I understand you have to have this super strong B!tch Defense to weed out the weaker people in your life, the people who'll bring you down. But, in reality, you need someone stronger to hold onto--someone stronger who'll take care of you, and give you the kick you need to put you in place." She bowed her head, laughed, and said that was exactly it. Then, I kicked her, and we farked.
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    Default Re: HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

    Come on man if you're not the relationship type of guy why would you try to be in one. It also seems like she doesn't want to be in a relationship/isn't good at it( plus girls with father issues can't mentally handle relationship)
    You lose some you win some, learn from your mistakes and get better!

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    Default Re: HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

    Echoeing what Marvilo said, girls with self-esteem and daddy issues is bad news. I've dated strippers and although they always seem nice at first, the ugly eventually rises and bites you in the ass.

    We are looking at potential jealousy issues to due to low self-esteem, or a girl who needs constant attention/validation. It will be a drain to you in the long run when you become the rock - the means of stabilization in her life - fulfilling the bf and father roles. This sh1t will get old.

    Take it from an older guy who has been through it. You don't want to deal with that. And when you been through that sh1t, confident girls all of sudden become very attractive and that is what attracts me.

    Another thing is you don't want to fvck your girlfriends. If you hook up with them and the relationship goes south, more often than not you lose that friendship that took so long to cultivate. I've seen it happen. Fvcking away an 8 year friendship because you feeling horny and can't control your d1ck is not worth it. Some people are better off being friends. Having girls as just friends is invaluable because they can always provide social proof that will help you get/attract women you really want. You don't want to burn your bridges or play where you eat.

    So as a vet, my answer to your question is I would focus on NOT making this into a relationship. You got more to lose. But if you are intent on doing so, then live and learn. Now that you've fvcked her, you are responsible for her emotional attachment.

    Just know any fool with a d1ck can fvck, but it takes a real man to know who to fvck and when. You can quote me on that.

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    Default Re: HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

    What we've got here is a failure to communicate. I do appreciate you guys taking the time to comment, however, that's not really where I wanted this to go. I didn't mean to over exaggerate the father issue thing, she just puts on a really strong b!tch shield. Also, our friendship isn't so spectacular that a relationship isn't worth pursuing. That's all I'm going to say to that.

    I was hoping someone could give me some pointers on the pursuit from here, and give some tips based on my game plan. Again, this isn't a matter of convincing me not to pursue. I've decided to go after what I want. She wants a relationship too, she mentioned it during the car ride, she just hasn't dated someone in 4 years. These issues aren't Stripper-girl bad, they're just typical issues people go through.
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    Default Re: HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

    In terms of that, you are doing fine. You are past the pickup stage (where many guys here specialize) and moving into the dating/relationship stage. After you f-close her, things are pretty much downhill and easy. You caught the fish, the hook is deep, it's just a matter of reeling her in and not do anything major stupid and let her slip.

    So, you don't have to overthink it like when to text as long as you don't flood her (which you are not anyways). Just be confident and be the best of you. If you want to take her out before X Mas keep texting her and don't care too much on why she hasn't respond yet to you. If she hasn't done so immediately, there's probably a legit reason.

    In the meantime, you can try some push-pull to keep her on her toes. Continue to go out with her for a month maintaining a balance between attraction and cultivating a stronger rapport. Comfort is already there as you were friends for so long. Get to know her as a person. It's obvious the girl really likes you, so at some point, the both of you must be honest with each other with your feelings.

    Another thing I personally recommend that has helped me is Vin DiCarlo's pandora's box that breaks women down into 8 types based on 3 conflicts (time, sex, relationship). DiCarlo believes that a general strategy that works on all women is silly. Each type of women requires a different handling for effective results. A tactic that works on one type of women will not yield the same result with another and can actually be detrimental. Since you know this girl well, you can easily cold read and profile her into a certain category. Once you know that, you have a general roadmap. The only bad thing about this system is a lot of guys profile wrong, which can bite them in the ass when they think a woman is a certain type which they are not. But since you already know her well, it can only work in your favor.

    Turning pickups into relationships is something BatMan on the forums is more knowledgeable than me, so you can pm him and hopefully he gets back to you. But he hasn't been around as of late because he got himself into a relationship couple months back. But anyone else is free to chime in.

    Good luck with this one.

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    Default Re: HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

    I do thank you for the well thought response. I'll probably casually text her sometime this week. That will lead up to me taking her out for her birthday, before Christmas, and then we'll see where it goes from there.
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    Default Re: HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

    UPDATE: I called her and we had a 30 minute convo filled with laughs and the like. She mentioned I needed to come up and see her sometime soon. She was with her roommate at her place, and said she was going to get off the phone to enjoy her glass of wine and book.


    I'd say I'll give it a few days and see what happens.
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    Default Re: HB9 F-Close, HELP on follow up, please.

    Well done man, keep us updated on where this goes I also appreciate the GNR reference hahah


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