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Thread: I.M.Mortal's Half-Ass Report "Long Game" (Need Help to Make it Full)

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    Default I.M.Mortal's Half-Ass Report "Long Game" (Need Help to Make it Full)

    Ok gents, here is where the helper needs some help. Forum vets (you know who you are) and new people, all input is welcome. This is kind of a half-ass field report because D1 is not officially closed yet.

    Some of you know that I’ve been playing the “long game” with my salsa teacher. I don’t rate this HB because it’s like trying to appraise the Hope Diamond. Nuff said.

    Now this is a tough and advance situation. Why?

    Obstacle #1 - This girl has a boyfriend for 2 years and she lives with him (but from what I learned she has her own bed and the relationship has run its course).
    Obstacle #2 – This girl is my instructor. I am the student. So there exist what is called an “inferiority gap” In partner dancing, it is worst. A strong male lead is attractive when he can dance and put his partner in the moment. As a newbie to this style of dance, I am still a baby learning to walk and she is nurturing me. An unfortunate analogy. Secondly, she will be crossing the professional line (which so far isn’t an issue). What saved me is my passion, I'm good and a fast learner due to my dance background, and she knows.

    Other minor stuff:
    Obstacle #3 – This girl has lots of guy friends (but not all guy friends), and I’m sure a few waiting in the bullpen for her to be single again (nothing I’m worried about – they are all pretty much ‘friend-zoned’).
    Obstacle #4 - This girl is hard to read in terms of body language IOI's. She is friendly to everyone. No temper. Always positive. No Bitch Shield. Confident. She will talk with anyone, creeps, w/e. Even with her bf, there is no public display of affection, hanging on his arm, no special attention. She treats him like everyone else. (odd!)

    Needless to say, this retired PUA had his work cut out for him. (Man why the fvck do I always get the hard ones?!) Thus with all these factors, the best play had to be the long game. Try to rush it with this girl with a high risk/high reward move, I could lose her completely.

    So cutting to the chase...

    The details hereafter is where I am at now after months of building attraction/comfort via text and in person, etc, etc, etc. (I’ve even used some stuff I did to her as examples in various posts responding to ppl who needed help). Her interest/attraction back when we first met started off as low and slowly was built to what it is now. Better. (One day I opened my email and found out that she is following me on my defunct Twitter acct, which is under a completely different name that no one knows about. That must've took some effort/investment cuz I can't even find myself on Twitter via google search.)

    I was trying to close for D1 in early Dec, but due to bad planning, it didn’t happen. The plan was to get sushi after our private lesson near the nightclub where she teaches, but there was not enough time. She foresaw it and was right. Luxury sushi is to be savored and wouldn’t want to feel rushed to make it back in time for class.

    So after my 1 month vacay on an island paradise, we are momentarily reunited for a few hours before she went on a 3 day Vegas trip to get away from a bad crazy week.

    On the night of her return at the club, I brought up the topic of getting sushi.

    The following in-person convo comes in late and is not verbatim.

    Basically what happened up to this point is the sushi idea was shot down because it sounded too much like a date when she has a bf. Looks like too much time elapsed and her logical conscience kicked in.

    ME: “Well I remember you telling me last time that your boyfriend doesn’t want you socializing with other guys. Well, you are a big girl.”

    HER: “Well, not for dinner. It’s different if I go with friends who I’ve known since highschool, but…”

    (Well, she knows I’m not a ‘friend’ hehehe. I followed up with a BF Destroyer. Thank you Xavier!)

    ME: “No I understand. He is like that because he appreciates you sooo much. He knows that he is not going to get anyone better than you. Correct me if I’m wrong, but he seems very quiet and reserved. He’s not like [a mutual friend] who goes out with one beautiful woman and if it doesn’t work out, no worries, he’ll find another one right?”

    She nods and chuckles.

    ME: “...So your boyfriend covets the relationship. And the fact that you have many guy friends, a lot of guys aren’t equipped to handle that. He constantly feels threatened and his confidence is on the rocks because you can leave him at anytime. I’ll share you a secret about guys. This is how a guy copes with it. One - he causes drama. To the point you don’t want to deal with it. You sacrifice a big part of your freedom and identity. The other, if he has it, is he throws money at the girl like paying for her rent or taking care of her car payments. What this does is it makes a girl dependent on him and harder to leave. It might work on a girl who is materialistic and lazy, but not on a girl who is independent.”

    (FYI: She doesn't know that I know that the bf pays for her rent. Note, my last sentence ‘independent’ to qualify her.)

    After listening intently without saying a word, she speaks.

    HER: “It’s just that [her bf name] and I have an understanding. And I just don’t feel comfortable crossing the line...But, we can get coffee.”

    (Well, you know the saying that “sometimes you are so focused on a single tree, you don’t see the entire forest?” Well, that is what happened. I nearly whacked myself. WHAT A DUMBASS! I was so focused on trying to get her out for sushi, at that moment, I didn’t see that getting coffee was the classic PUA choice for a date, better than dinner because it’s less distracting. This girl just gave me an opening)

    ME: *jokingly* “Well, you can’t let me see you three times a week and be a mystery to me.”

    She responds with a bright chuckle.

    ME: “No, but seriously, I just want to get to know you.”

    (So here, I got vulnerable and honest with my intentions and...)

    HER: “You can still do that over coffee.”

    Ohhhh Sh!!!t! So, I agreed to coffee. DUH! Only took me so long lol. We part ways for a while dancing with other people. She introduced me to her male friend who came to visit her, a DWTS pro dancer, and we became buddies. We all left the club together and I walked her to her car. We hugged each other and confirmed to meet at 6 pm for tea (since we are both health and fitness nuts) before our private lesson.

    Ok date day...

    Bad news: D1 did not happen. Here’s our text exchange and why.

    After 3 lines of texting...
    HER: Im afraid im going to have to reschedule. I’ll still be teaching at [X] tonight but I have to ready my aunt’s website by tonite. She is in full, Colombian panic mode. Can we do coffee another time?
    ME: Columbian panic mode hehe. No worries. If u need the time tonight, we can reschedule the private as well. The way it looks for me this week...Thursday is no good. My friday is booked.
    HER: We’ll find time. Thank you for understanding!!
    ME: Just make sure u don’t go into Columbian panic mode yourself lol. But since u r only half Columbian, I’m not too worried Take care of your aunt and c u at 8 at our regular scheduled programming.
    HER: Haha nice! See you then

    So I guess flake wouldn’t be the right word. This girl said it with class and still hinted interest 'we' (so here I got it easier than most guys who get flaked on). Her reasons seem legit and genuine. She even had to cancel our private. Despite this, I remained unaffected and demonstrated value hinting that I am a busy guy.

    That night when I saw her she was a bit distant. She still smiled brightly at me when our eyes locked from a distance, but was avoiding me. My guess is it was a combination of her being stressed, feeling a bit guilty for not following through, and also her boyfriend came to the club. We did dance together but something was ‘off’ Not a good night. But one thing I learned - women can be like that. Hot/Cold. She is not always going to be happy with joy to see you. It's doesn't mean she likes you any less...

    ...Because when I did see her next week, she was back to her normal self. It was a great club night. I left the club with her and walked her to her car. (Did I mention...leaving the house with the hottest and best female salsa dancer that every guy wants to dance with is awesome!) As we goodnite hugged, I brought up the idea of coffee again. She said 'yes' and joked that 'this time someone better follow through.' She suggested a date, but caught herself because she realized she has a private lesson prior to class that day. I didn't press the issue further and let it rest.

    Eventually, D1 is going to happen, I just don’t know when, but I am in no rush. But the sooner is always better.

    OK So...

    My big question to you all is I’m going to need some ideas on other places to take her where it is less threatening to sound like a date. Gotta change sh1t up and can’t be doing coffee/tea forever. There is going to need to be some plausible deniability involved. She is a good girl and doesn’t want to come off like she is crossing the moral line going behind the bf’s back. Which is good. I like the fact that she is making it difficult. If a girl is willing to run off with another guy so readily, I’d be worried. But gonna have to start off with something less threatening for some quiet quality time and work my charms in and eventually get her on a real date. By then I hope to replace her current bf in her mind.

    One plan I have is taking her to a musical. Fugging expensive, but we both love musicals. But it won’t just be us two as I will be going with my affluent friends and inviting her to come. Less threatening. And after we can break off and find a quiet quality moment.

    Other than that, I’m like straining my brain. Never been faced with this before. So more brains the better.

    BTW – no alcohol. We both don’t drink. We both are into fitness so avoiding food/drinks with sugar as much as possible. So ice cream is out.

    -----------------------------
    Disclaimer. Women with bfs - I’ve always thread carefully (avoid gaming if at all possible), but this girl I made an exception for. There is very little we don’t have in common (same hobbies/interests/same values/self-esteem and outlook on life). To find someone with this much in common is extremely rare. It’s scary at first, but in a pleasant way. As a man, you owe it to yourself to find the best woman for you - even if it means relieving her from a lesser dude not as compatible. So I made the decision to compromise my honor.
    --------------------------------

    But win or lose with this girl I’m thinking of completing a “long game” field report one day. Will I live out a real life "Dirty Dancing" movie with the gender roles reversed? Time will tell. I got one thing Baby didn't and that is PUA skillz. And no one sits I.M.Mortal in the corner!

    Thanks in advance!

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    Default Re: I.M.Mortal's Half-Ass Report "Long Game" (Need Help to Make it Full)

    Haha!
    Immortal, it's time for the young buck to help you out for a change. This is funny just because it's like Daniel-son helping Mr. Miyagi for a change (karate kid reference) lol.

    This is really tough, these are my thoughts & what I'd do:

    1.) She's had a bf for 2 years? That's when things start getting stale, & you found out it's already kinda on the rocks. Perfect for your situation.
    2.) Honestly with the inferiority gap their isn't much you can do in my opinion. I would honestly just own it & work really hard to get as good as possible, but it looks like you're already doing that. You can't even really go sexual with it because I feel like she's shut it down kinda since she has a bf. You could try some push pull while dancing possibly.
    I'd do this (but this is more my style). Dance with her, & be like afterwards, "You know, I just noticed something about you, that nobody's probably ever noticed about you. She'll ask what. Then be like, actually nevermind. Then turn her around be like, you know, I love your butt so much it's ravishing, it's just too bad you're a (whatever hair color she is) then don't even look at her and walk away. Later on re-engage super friendly like she's just your friend or in your case, teacher. She should be giving you the stank-eye lol.
    3.) Guy friends. Whatever. Those guy friends are probably just chumps that have already made passes at her. You're not a chump so they literally do not even matter. You're not worried, so you're good. Don't doubt your self worth & you're not. Awesome.
    4.) Girls are sometimes like that with public displays of affection. No big deal. But... This may also be due to the fact that she is so comfortable with the bf she doesn't care to show him any extra interest. Sounds like low interest to him, & everybody else she talks to, she just being friendly to. If she really had interest in him, she may not show a lot of interest, but you'll still be able to notice the little tiny bit of extra she gives. Girls are sly like that. This sounds good for you.

    It's a good thing you didn't go high risk high reward here and direct, honestly you probably would of lost her just because she has the bf & she wouldn't want to cross that professional line barely knowing you, & like you said, the attraction was low at first.

    Her finding your twitter account is kind of a huge ioi. Imagine how long she was creeping on it without following you? Think about that. Think about what other social media sites she's looked for you on? Crazy eh? Girls are creeps & figure out everything. Lol
    You slowly building rapport and attraction over several is exactly what you needed to do so you doing this was perfect IMO.

    What you said about her logical sense is exactly right. Too much time elapsed and you need to take a small step back and re-build it again. It's a small step but it needs to be done since she has a BF and the time elapsed. Girls are very emotional creatures & honestly it's hard to understand that even for me since guys brains are mostly hard wired to be more logical.

    Running boy-friend destroyers & building the boyfriend up HUGE is exactly what you needed to do, & need to continue to do. Straw-man technique will be HUGE here, but will only work If you can squeeze it in when you see her. Valentines day is coming up. That's an easy one. Joke with her & ask her what she's doing for Valentines day, & before she can respond say "I bet your boyfriend is buying you a HUGE teddy bear, taking you out to the finest Italian restaurant in the state, & spending the entire day giving you nothing but full-body massages & cuddling you. (Sly smile)"

    She'll say "blah blah he's only doing this or were going to so and so place" (it doesn't matter too much)

    You reply : "Well that's disappointing! He seems like a really great guy! It's too bad he's like that. (Run boyfriend destroyer routine about he's only doing it because he's so comfortable and won't do any better). Then close the routine by saying you deserve better then how he's treating you with a serious look. Then quickly break tension by saying "you know, I give great massages, ask my other salsa teacher" then smile again.

    You could even joke about how you're cheating on her for another salsa teacher just joking around haha! (Even tho you clearly don't have another one) that'd be fun.

    You pushing for sushi when she was CLEARLY trying to take you out for some coffee was bad. Not a deal breaker bad but c'mon man! Lol. No big deal, it looks like you handled the situation good in the end. Just remember, SHE WANTS TO SPEND TIME WITH YOU MAN. She just doesn't want to feel like she's going behind her boyfriends back. This is very good! Like you said, now you just need plausible deniability In every hangout, tricky, but I do it all the time.

    What you're doing is the best you can really do in your situation and no PUA advice is going to really help you. Just don't doubt yourself because so far you've been superb in handling everything. You just need to think on the fly & react.

    She didn't flake on you at all she was seriously busy, & the way she handled it towards you was seriously a class act by her. When I get cancelled on or flaked out by girls, it's always mean & makes you feel like sh1t. Lol. It sounds like you found yourself a great women. You handled the situation perfectly as well.

    Her being distant is exactly that. You're 100% right on the money IMO.

    Musical would be very cool. Especially with friends. Just make sure to Isolate her afterwards.
    Hmmmm.
    Here's some ideas & you know her better then me so you'll know what she's going to be more receptive to.

    Run in the park with you since you're both fitness nuts. Tell her you need help with your stride. Then bring her back to your place to shower up afterwards

    Ask her to come over & help you cook this new lean chicken protein recipe you just found, which you think she'll love. Then make love to her after dinner. Lol. You would need to frame it as you genuinely needing help though.

    Concert would be good.
    Try this, after a Salsa class ask her what she's doing, then tell her you need help with something real quick, whether it be, getting groceries because you're trying to get more for, or getting an exciting move from the movie store, & tell her she's coming. Make it seem like it's just for a few minutes & you'll bring her right back. Then try to extend the interaction to either her cooking you dinner or watching the movie back at your place.

    Idk what she's into man, need more Info for plausible deniability dates.
    Yeah, my hand hurts from typing this on my phone. Peace.
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    Default Re: I.M.Mortal's Half-Ass Report "Long Game" (Need Help to Make it Full)

    Thank you Kyl3 (and your tired hands) for taking the time to write that all out!

    You could try some push pull while dancing possibly.
    I'd do this (but this is more my style). Dance with her, & be like afterwards, "You know, I just noticed something about you, that nobody's probably ever noticed about you. She'll ask what. Then be like, actually nevermind. Then turn her around be like, you know, I love your butt so much it's ravishing, it's just too bad you're a (whatever hair color she is) then don't even look at her and walk away. Later on re-engage super friendly like she's just your friend or in your case, teacher. She should be giving you the stank-eye lol.
    Funny, cuz she does have an amazing ass (she is a brunette). She is a “Denier” though in Vin DiCarlo terms. Anytime, I bring up something sexual or sexual innuendo, she doesn’t respond at least via text. She told me her aunts are uber critical being typical Columbians who have an obsession for beauty pageants and expect their girls to be a certain way. She copes with it by being indifferent, dressing down and not bring attention to herself because she grew up with criticism all her life. (She's still hot dressed down due to natural beauty). She doesn't even react much to complements about her looks. So, I usually steer clear talking about anything in reference to her physical appearance and complement her on other qualities. She reacts favorably to those.

    Her finding your twitter account is kind of a huge ioi. Imagine how long she was creeping on it without following you? Think about that. Think about what other social media sites she's looked for you on? Crazy eh? Girls are creeps & figure out everything. Lol. You slowly building rapport and attraction over several is exactly what you needed to do so you doing this was perfect IMO.
    Yea, it is crazy. I still don’t know how she did it. And all I did was on NYE was texted her this:
    10:28p ME – Happy New Year [her name]! And remember…if you’re not smiling, then you’re not missing me  <3
    10:31p HER: Happy New Year [my name]! ~[signed her name]
    10:44p – ME: I’m in Waikiki Duke’s Beach front atm. And oh my God…I wish u could see this. The beauty and nite magic I’m catching is unparalleled…I’d send u pics but it’s just not the same with what I’m seeing with my eye.
    [no response]

    Next day, Jan 2, bam! XXX is following you on Twitter. I texted her:

    4:40p – ME: Oh noes! Found me on twitter. Now you know my stripper alias o.O

    She texted me back the next day:

    8:10a HER: Somehow I’m not surprised… sorry for the delayed response.
    11:31a ME: Omg. Sounds like you are sooo busy! And I’m over here in paradise, at the beach, basking in the sun, drinking my pina colada…thinking of you…wishing you were here…to massage my feet, clean my house, cook my dinner...hahaha
    [No response from her. Found out later she is having a bad week, losing a bunch of gigs all of sudden and running around.]

    Running boy-friend destroyers & building the boyfriend up HUGE is exactly what you needed to do, & need to continue to do. Straw-man technique will be HUGE here, but will only work If you can squeeze it in when you see her. Valentines day is coming up. That's an easy one. Joke with her & ask her what she's doing for Valentines day, & before she can respond say "I bet your boyfriend is buying you a HUGE teddy bear, taking you out to the finest Italian restaurant in the state, & spending the entire day giving you nothing but full-body massages & cuddling you. (Sly smile)"
    Great idea! I haven’t thought of a good game plan for VDay yet. I’ve been milling over it. She never mentions her bf to me and I if I ever bring him up, it’s to run a BF breaker. I even contemplated about not contacting her on VDay to make it look like I’m busy doing something (which I will be). But I like that idea of running a VDay BF Destroyer. (I’d give you 2 likes if I could.) Gonna do that instead.

    Idk what she's into man, need more Info for plausible deniability dates.
    - She hates shopping (Yay! A woman who hates shopping). She is low maintenance and not materialistic. So shopping malls are out. But she likes dressing up when going to a nightclub and dancing the night away without drinking. And when she does dress up…omg.
    - She is not a movie buff, and thinks TV is a huge waste of time. She said she hasn’t seen a movie in a long while. So movies are out and usually not a good place for a fresh date.
    - She likes art museums. She is a nerd in a hot fitness model’s body.
    - She dances hip hop as well. So thought about inviting her to join me for a private lesson with a renown hip hop instructor I know and then after Isolate.
    - This girl likes to play flag football, beach vball, soccer. Definitely not a lapdog princess (y’know looks good but good for nothing?). She is not afraid to roll with the boys, but yet not exhibit any tomboy traits. All feminine. (It’s like a cat that likes to swim).

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    Default Re: I.M.Mortal's Half-Ass Report "Long Game" (Need Help to Make it Full)

    Denier eh? I'd looked into Vin Decarlo's system back when I was just a lurker & it was WAY too much thought. I could never see myself putting a girl into categories just by the way she acts. That would be wayyyyyy too stressful & just give me a constant head-ache.

    Especially because I have ADHD & OCD issues & need to know answers. Puzzles frustrate me & she would instantly be a puzzle that I couldn't figure out just because of the lame categories. Lol patience is not something I'm strong at.
    I'd over-think every action she did just to categorize her.

    So I don't have any experience running his system. From what I do know, being a denier is definitely more tricky. Do you know what else she falls into? I know there is denier/justifier, realist/idealist, & tester/investor. Personally, I stay away from it though. That's just my style, to each there own.

    Anyways, if she is always being complimented on her looks, then yeah, don't do that. You're right on the money about talking about something else. Have you ever tried qualifying her on something really deep? I NEVER compliment girls, I always portray my interest through my body language & Kino, & by running lots of qualifiers.
    Instead of starting that little disqualifier by saying her butt is sexy, run a qualifier, then the disqualifier.
    Example: (since body compliments are a no-go. Say this when you're dancing or when you naturally get a chance.)
    Do the whole I just noticed something about you thing like I stated above, then casually turn her around & stare at her butt for a second & make sure she knows you are. Then turn her around & say, "you're such a fun & down to earth girl, & I really love that about you (her name). But ever since I was a kid, my mom warned me about (whatever race she is, let's say Latina.) Latina girls (then insert whatever she is. If she's really smart, qualify her intelligence. If she's really fun. Qualify that.)
    Example convo:
    *After turning her & CLEARLY checking out her butt* You know what (her name) ever since I was a kid, my mom warned me to stay away from Latina girls that could make me smile like I'm a kid again & yet still hold an intellegient conversation. I love that about you & it been a long time since I've met someone who could do that. So stay away, my mom wouldn't approve. It's just too bad you're a brunette, I'm into blondes or I'd definitely have to go against my moms rules." (Smiling saying all of this!)
    Then walk away. Lol

    Your text game is solid, I woulda said pretty much the same thing.

    As for plausible deniability hangouts. Hmm. Art museum would be perfect. Invite her. Hip hop thing would be awesome as well. I actually like that one more just because it's active.
    Maybe a walk on the beach? Tell her you're going for a walk later to clear your mind & that she should join. You know the perfect spot. It's tough thinking of something for you because you're so much older & into different things than me.

    You already know what to do. Everything you're doing is pretty much awesome & I feel like it's going to work out in the end. At this point I'm just giving you re-assurances, which shouldn't be happening because you're a hell of a lot better at game & smarter than me Immortal. Just believe in yourself.

    I look up to you as a mentor so this is weird to me lol.

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    Default Re: I.M.Mortal's Half-Ass Report "Long Game" (Need Help to Make it Full)

    Nah man, nothing weird. The teacher is always learning.

    I hate puzzles as well, but Di Carlo's system is not really a puzzle. It's just a formula and very easy. It has merits because according to him there is no PUA system that works on all women. It's like sales or baseball. You win some and lose some. This system gives you an extra edge to up your batting averages. The downfall of it is if you profile a girl wrong, you can screw yourself and worsen your chances.

    This girl is an Investor/Denier/Realist aka "The Connoisseur"

    To be honest I never had the chance to qualify her on something deep. I would say 75% of the time we meet in person, due to the environment, the conversation is superficial because of loud music, too ppl many around, moving around too much, etc. Once in a while, I get into serious talk with her and it's been happening more often. The good news is she never talks about her problems to me. She's been voluntarily revealing bit by bit about herself to me.

    Getting her to qualify on the deep stuff is important for sure. She only qualified herself to me a few times on semi deep stuff. I was trying to save the deep qualification stuff for our date. But the longer it gets put off, then gonna need to come up with lots more on the fly.

    *After turning her & CLEARLY checking out her butt* You know what (her name) ever since I was a kid, my mom warned me to stay away from Latina girls that could make me smile like I'm a kid again & yet still hold an intellegient conversation. I love that about you & it been a long time since I've met someone who could do that. So stay away, my mom wouldn't approve. It's just too bad you're a brunette, I'm into blondes or I'd definitely have to go against my moms rules." (Smiling saying all of this!)
    Another good one! Coming up with ways to qualify on the fly has never been my strength.

    Despite my age, I don't do the old foggies stuff lol. I still look young in my early 30's, feel young, and still hit the nightclubs in my town. The walk on the beach is another great idea since the club is only a few blocks from the beach. The hard part is getting her out of the club because sometimes the lure of salsa is too great due to the adrenaline. Also, many times she has ppl on the guest list and is expecting them.

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    Your situation is tough.
    Like I said, I don't have much experience on the pandora's box system but it's something I'm looking into studying in the future. So I can't give you any advice.

    Yeah, qualifying on the fly is just something I got good at by practice. You can qualify superficial sh1t easy, but the DEEP connection you build running deep, personal qualifiers, you can really only do in a semi-personal environment. At least IMO anyways.

    So like you said, the date would of been perfect to do it, but you may never reach that point.
    I guess, the only thing you can do is be patient & confidently persistent, run your material, build a deep connection like what you have is special, & act on the fly. That's what going to score her.

    I'm really like to hear other input on this as well. Other opinions.

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    pandora's box is terrible. I'd rather jerk off with a cheese grater. Not to mention they are constantly spamming the forums with bullshit questions as a form of cheap ass advertising.

    I've learned better pickup material off the back side of a cereal box.
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    Personally, from what I've saw, I agree 100%.
    But that's only my opinion.

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    pandora's box is definitely not a system to use exclusively on it's own. It's a supplement. An extra tool in your arsenal. What I generally use it for is what NOT to say to a woman I know well that would fit into certain parameters. Also, it serves a general roadmap to aiding you to become a better profiler. Based on my study of psychology, there's a lot of valid points in the system, but I see flaws in it where things can go wrong. The execution to profile someone in any system such as body language reading is not easy, takes a degree of empathy, insight, and is a craft in itself.


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