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Thread: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

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    Default Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    Okay, so I was out at a Karaoke club last night. I see two hot girls sitting alone - they've been approached by several guys but the guys never less more than a minute before they walk away. I say to myself, "Challenge accepted."

    I approached with something like:
    "Hey guys, check this out: I need a girl to sing this song with me, It's a duet I've been dying to sing for a long time but no one I've asked knows the song or is willing to sing."

    we talk more about the song and stay on that subject for a little while. The more attractive friend starts bitch testing, hard, while I'm talking to her friend. I start throwing out little negs like:

    "Is she always like this?"
    "Hey, raise your hand when you need to speak."
    "So, this is why she's single?"
    and so on

    The girls were loving my company ... we were all laughing constantly.

    But, the target was still giving me bitch tests left and right. I couldn't get a straight answer from her. I honestly had no idea whether or not she was telling the truth about anything. She didn't even give me a real name, I had to bait that out of her friend, but she then still refused to actually tell me what her name was. She claimed that she was a clown - like, that's what her job was. she was a professional clown (this sparked interesting jokes/conversation). She never actually gave me her age. It's not like she just was like "I'm not telling you" but she would give me an obvious lie. But there was playfulness to it. I played along with all of this ... I tried to find humor wherever I could and play along with their roleplay. I think it was a success in the fact that I can almost guarantee I was the highlight of their night.

    At one point, I said to the target's friend:

    "Hey, c'mon! You're not engaging in the roleplay!"

    She replied something like: "I suck at roleplaying. I was never into dungeons and dragons or anything like that."

    I replied; "So, you must suck in bed then ..."

    That got a laugh and created an interesting conversation.

    I started escalating the Kino but it didn't feel like she was being too receptive. I mean, she wasn't pushing me away, but she wasn't really returning it either. She was playing super super hard to get.

    I kept calling them out on their little "girl code" things. I'd say:

    "Don't look at her like that, I know what that look means! Let her say whatever she wants!"

    Calling them out on things like this always got a laugh and it bought me respect from them.

    There's probably a lot of other useful information I should tell you guys, but I honestly can't remember every detail - lol. I think you guys can get the mood/vibe from everything I've said.

    I did get the targets number. I tried calling her earlier today, but no answer. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a fake number (although, I have a feeling it's a real number). Either way, that doesn't matter too much ... it could be a real number but that really doesn't mean anything if she doesn't answer.

    I wasn't receiving strong IOIs from her, really.

    Overall, it felt like a success. I mean, I had fun, they had fun. It was fun conversation. That is good. But, in terms of building my game, I need to figure out what I can do better should I encounter a situation like this again.

    Do any of you guys have similar experiences or suggestions?

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    Default Re: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    You approached wrong. You should have made her chase you by leadjng her friends after building rapport. She was on the defensive because you were too cocky funny and didn't attract her attention enough for her to invest in you. Work the friends so the target feels left out.... Then she's disinterested and butt hurt and more open to conversing
    Every moment counts, get out of your head and enjoy it.

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    Default Re: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    Honestly though things like that happen sometimes. Sometimes she may just be looking for a laugh and not really want to give her number out. Doesn't mean your game sucks or you did something wrong, just meant it wasn't your day or for whatever reason.
    You lose some you win some, learn from your mistakes and get better!

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    Default Re: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    I don't think you failed the Sh1t Test either. Girls will sometimes go out with the purpose to mess around with guys heads with the intention of leading them on for as long as possible. If you had fun with it, and they had fun, and you didn't buy them drinks, then mission accomplished.

    to artandale's point though, if your intention was to f-close one, then isolating her would've been the goal. In other words, there was a peer pressure to not engage and resist you which had to be removed.

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    Default Re: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    Nice job engaging the whole group. If a girl is giving you "shit tests", just break rapport with her with teases, negs, etc., while being nonreactive and just have fun. Texting is better than calling because she may be busy and not pick up and you don't want her to have a missed call.
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    Default Re: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    The big key thing here was to Isolate.

    You got the attraction talk down-pat and came in with guns blazing. Nice job!

    The thing about women is they get attracted to men all the time. If this girl spoke to 10 guys in a day, and if two of the guys (who are not necessarily PUAs) are having fun with her, teasing her a little, being a little sarcastic, good body language, etc...she might have felt some attraction towards them.

    That is why attraction is not such a big deal.

    Very few guys will be able to elevate those feelings into something much greater.

    Is there a way to test her attraction for you? Yes. Isolate her.

    If you can get a girl to move 5 feet away from her friends, that is a huge compliance test passed and strong ioi. If you are not able to get beyond this point, then that is the farthest you will get with this girl.

    Once you isolate, you can proceed into the next phase and go into comfort with some high value small talk HVST and focus on her to establish some real connection while keeping it playful.
    - Sharing related cool stories (e.g - high value stories that demonstrate pre-selection)
    - You qualifying her and rewarding her investments (via playful disqualifiers, high investment qualifiers, small investment qualifiers)
    - Connecting with her emotionally on various topics (e.g - I can't believe you like that song so much. When I was 17, me and my friends use to listen to that song while...)

    Once you had your HVST for 5 to 20 minutes, the fish has been marinated to be escalated on in Phase 3.

    Step 1 - Tell her "You know what we will have so much fun doing?" You are going to describe something cool you are both going to do in the future together, but don't make plans yet to keep the tension.
    Step 2 - Start a new conversational thread. Something that builds a deep physical connection. (e.g - playing a "pinkie swear game" or pretend to read her palm and give her a ridiculous reading)
    Step 3 - You are going to take it away by saying "You gotta go" but you guys will have to definitely do [what you said in step 1] when I am free." This makes n-closing super easy and almost obsolete.
    Step 4 - As you say goodbye, give her a slow-brush in a "I own you in my arms hug" and hold it for a few seconds.

    This is the best simple and effective roadmap to natural game I can give you in terms of advancing your external game in the future. It's what I use (Credit to Jason Capital)

    To have more of a profound impact, you could isolate the girl after you run HVST (phase 2) and before Escalation (phase 3), but that will be more difficult given you were dealing with a big set.

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    Default Re: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    Thanks for all your tips/advice guys! And, I.M.Mortal, That's some insightful advice too! I'll put it into practice next time I go out. I knew I had done something wrong, but the whole "isolating the target" thing didn't cross my mind at the time. I guess, in some situations, it's more important than you'd think. Again, thanks guys.

    By the way ... there's been an update. I texted her today and she responded (this is my first text - besides when I got her number, I texted her to give her mine.) I called her once the day after we met (as described in the original post) ... but I texted her and asked what Kind of trouble she was getting into ... she said all kinds. lol.

    So, she responded. Good sign, I'm guessing. I'm not sure how to approach from here. As I'm sure she's still wanting to "play games" ...

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    Default Re: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    very cool post.

    But I have a question for you "Maverick1027" when you said:

    The more attractive friend starts bitch testing, hard, while I'm talking to her friend. I start throwing out little negs like:
    "Is she always like this?"
    I'm assuming your target was the more attractive friend. However, you were talking to the other friend and throwing negs at your target. This way you should who you are interested in and at the same time you make sure the friend won't cockblock you..is that correct?

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    Default Re: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    Also, I.M.Mortal, your post is extremely helpful specially when you broke the process into small steps. however, you didn't mention how do you Isolate a girl from her friends before going through the steps you mentioned?

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    Default Re: Biggest Shit Test I've Ever Encountered! Advice?

    Hot women, or even slightly above average women, are used to getting attention from men. So giving a woman your attention is putting you in the "just another guy" box. It's boring.

    What maverick did was flip the situation on her. Being ignored is one of the worst things psychologically (it's the #1 reason we are all here learning this stuff). The hotter the woman, the less ok she is with this. He is pretty much saying "you have to earn my attention." And she works for it! But he negs her. The message again is "you need to work harder for my attention." It's a challenge. Women like a challenge. Simple as that (and yet infinitely complex).


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