I wrote success because it is the beginning of a long road to improving my skills with women. It was definitely a good step and I learnt a lot from the interactions. But it was a failure because none really went anywhere and kind of fizzled out. Here is my interactions, any comments are appreciated.
We started off the night quite late. I went with a friend of mine who is in town (tel aviv) for a few weeks. Me being English and him American we thought we would talk in English as the lure of foreigners can sometimes work (especially an English accent).
We stopped first at a sandwich bar and I straight away opened a small set. Three girls on rollerblades promoting something and two older girls listening. We started chatting and I negged the rollerblade girls saying they were too young. Straight away they turned and left. The two older girls were more interested to speak to us but the conversation resorted to where we and they were from. They got there food and left. Not bad as a warm-up but there was nothing there.
We hit the first bar and straight away walked into a group of girls. I asked them about drunk 'i love yous' and they were keen for about 2 minutes and then a smaller group behind us started talking to us. In this smaller group was a birthday girl and we realised all the girls were there for her party. They were kinda interested but then left. Only one stayed who was interested but was pretty ugly. My friend offered to buy her a drink (I know) and then we talked to her for a bit. No point two guys talking to her so I kind of drifted away. Eventually we said goodbye and we left to find a seat.
We then found these two really cute girls. I opened again with the 'i love you' sms and then responded quite well. My friend joined in and I thought we were doing pretty well. We were standing at the edge of their table and waiters kept going past and eventually someone said we were standing in a bad place. I said ok, so is it ok if we sit down with you? they kind of hesistated for a split second but it seemed as if they didn't really mind. At that EXACT same time this guy tried to push past me and I stood my ground. He then said these girls are taken and that they were in a business meeting so we cant join. Basically they were their boyfriends and i would back off but this guy was being an asshole and trying to out-alpha male us and show how cool he was. I said it didn't look like they were in a business meeting and my friend said anyway, we can tell when we are not wanted and so we left. My mate then went to talk to them for a second as the girls got up to go to the bathroom and apologised for hitting on his girls. I didn't.
We hit on the waitresses as well. There was the main one and another girl who was shadowing them. I asked them who lies more guys or girls and they played along for a minute but then the main waitress left (she was cuter) and the shadow waitress stayed. She seemed to like us but eventually said she better go because it was her first day and didn't want to get fired.
We got up and walked a few yards and saw two girls sitting. I opened again with the drunk i love yous (while writing this i realise i need more openers) and while initially hesitant to talk to us they warmed up. I moved to the who lies more and they carried on. Two other girls came and sat down with them. I got them involved but then after a minute or so of carrying on the who lies more line i had no idea how to move it on. We said goodbye and went to sit at a table behind them. One of them looked at us with eyes that seemed to say hmm you shouldn't have left but im not sure. We sat in our seats for a drink and then left the bar.
We went to another bar and i started speaking to a couple. She was from england and very happy to speak to me but she was with a guy who seemed really nice and he had a look of dude you are raining on my parade. I think they had been on a date and he looked like a good guy so i didn't want to impose. We chatted for a couple of minutes and i included the guy in the convo. We then left and went outside.
Outside we two tables of two girls. We approached one (the uglier of the two which was a mistake). One of the girls was cute(ISH) and the other pretty ugly. We chatted for a couple of minutes and the cuter one invited us to a private party tomorrow night which she said was for special guys. I said my friend was a special guy and she said no, you are. I thought that was a little harsh on my mate and he looked a little gutted at the comment. He is a top dude as well and pretty good looking. I said im not sure as we have a friend who owns the top club in the city who has invited us tomorrow night so we will see. We then left and went to sit down. Behind us we could see a group of guys tried to hit on them badly and failed. Once they left we went back in and I said here write down the details of the place tomorrow and we will see. I then asked the two cuter girls sitting next to them if they had a pen. They seemed to dhv us and the guys were all looking as well as the two cute girls who seemed impressed. We got the details of the club (no phone number though...) and left. My friend told me that when i went to go get a pen the cuter girl at the table we were talking to asked him if he knew any hot guys he could introduce her friend to. He seemed insulted by this as if she was insinuating that he wasn't hot. My friend then complained that all the girls like me because of the accent and looks. It's nonsense quite a few were interested in him.
We hit a club next. People were waiting in line but I just went up to the hostess and in english said what do we need to get in. She said ID which we gave her and she let us in straight away. hehe. We opened up a set of three french girls. Two of them were very cute and the one in the middle less so (although she had a great body). Again I used the i love you sms but their english wasn't so good so they didn't quite understand. We were standing at the corner of the bar and they were sitting around the corner so kind of in an L shape. I was at the corner with my friend on my right and next to me was a cute girl. Then was the middle one who spoke english and then the furthest away was another girl who was the hottest. Again I had little to say after the openers but we got a conversation going and I would say this was the best one. The furthest away girl though turned and spoke to some people behind us which sucked. The cuter girl of the remaining two didn't really understand what we were saying and she seemed shy. Eventually I said we don't we find a couch and they said sure but then when we went to sit only the middle ugliest one came with the other two stayed and started talking to two other guys. I was a little gutted. We sat with the one girl for a bit but it was two of us and neither of us were too interested. She was though and eventually asked if she can see us again. We gave her a number and said we are going to a club tomorrow so she can come. We said goodbye.
We went outside and there were these two very drunk americans. We chatted for a bit. The hotter of the two was girl coding her friend and I called them on it. We talked for a bit and they both busted me on having two buttons open on my shirt and called me metro. They also insulted me for wearing an Abercrombie shirt. I tried meekly to neg them back but they didn't really take much notice. We got onto age and they asked us how old we were. We said to guess and they guessed about right. They said how old are they and I said do you want me to guess high or low. She said just guess. Ok I said 31 (knowing obviously she wasnt). She looked insulted and i said oh ok I dunno 24? 23? Turns out they were 19. I thought perfect time to neg them and said oh they were too young for me bla bla bla. They said ok, bye then and turned to leave. My friend told me we threw them away. We sat for a second and watched two other guys hit on them but fail. We then followed after them and caught up with and started speaking again. We talked for a bit and found out the cuter one had some booty call/boyfriend guy that she was on the phone to. She got off the phone and we started talking. I made a playful comment about being mildly insulted about being called metro. they joked and I said you know its funny, when you have higher class cultures you always think they are gay. So they americans think the English are gay, the English think the French are etc. The cuter one then said 'wait, you are not higher class. Sorry. you are standing here with an abercrombie shirt with the button open showing your chest hair. I just cant stand here and say you are higher class. Sorry if that sounds bitch but I cant say that with a straight face." WOW. All I said back was 'wow you can dress them up but you can't take them anywhere.' My friend said wow, you girls are mean and we are so nice to which the other girl (not the one who insulted me but the nicer one) said you are nice (pointing to my friend) but he (pointing to me) not so nice. It was said with a smile but still blew me out.
She totally pissed on my strawberries. I was so insulted I didn't even say goodbye. I was done with them and just turned away and we got in a cab home.
The main problem I am having is from opening the sets to actually getting into a conversation. My stuff sounds too rehearses, too rigid, nothing deeper than an opener. And then I get totally stuck.I have no idea how to move the conversation on and how to DHV myself. When we got the one set to move, two of the girls didn't come with even though I said they should all come sit and they can bring their friends bla bla bla. Then, I don't know how to neg properly and then when insulted (which really hurt me) i dont know how to retort. The last set actually depressed me a little. We were happy and doing well and then BAM put me right in my place.