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    Default Field Report: HBabc and HBDancer

    The in-field sarge was daunting to myself, given that Approach Anxiety (aa) kicks in and binds my whole body down.

    My fellow sargers seem to have limited AA and head on in and Number Close with the direct approach.

    I am numbed and start criticizing myself and I go deeper and deeper down in misery. My physiology starts to reflect this. Then I think of 2 tips to overcoming AA, 1) open guys first and realize that AA is in your head, 2) give your wing $100 dollars and every time you open a set he returns $10, if you use the direct approach then he gives back $20.

    I choose to go with the second option. At first it feels like shit, I lose money to my wing. Then I open a set and then go indirect, gain $10 and lose $10 for not going direct. Open another, and another.

    Then I confess that I haven't been going direct, he points me towards an HB. Let's call her HBabc. HB, American Born Chinese

    HBabc walks by. She is by herself so I decide to go direct. I open:


    Me: Hey, I was standing their with my friends, and I saw you walking across and I thought I'd kick myself if I didn't say hi, you're really pretty (Grounding)

    HBabc: Oh thanks. (Starts preening her hair, IOI)

    Me: (Implanting a false-statement to force her to go into A3) You seem like you just came back from work (She looked like a university aged)

    HBabc: No, I just blah blah blah

    Me: Oh, you have a slight accent are you from England? (False-statement to force her to speak)

    HBabc: No, I'm from the US...


    Me: Hey, that's cool, it's been nice talking to you I have to head back to my friends. Give me your number!

    HBabc: actually, I'm going back to the states tomorrow, I have Facebook (smiling)

    Me: Oh really, that sucks. It does. Here write it down (hand over pen and paper)

    Leave set.

    The problem with this set was that once I got her number I ejected, whilst I should have spent more time with her afterwards so as to not give her the impression that I was just there for her number.


    I feel ecstatic and my wing hands me $50 as a reward. This feels fantastic, immediate reward. Much much better than getting the number alone, to be honest. Because getting the number doesn't guarantee a day 2 or a full close, immediate reward and punishment helps ALOT!.

    Next, I enter a bookstore. My friends and I meet up at a bookstore, we're standing next to the "relationship" section. We fluff talk for a bit and they leave.

    Whilst we were talking I noticed this HB near the relationship section and I decide to stay.


    After genuinely browsing to look for a book about female sexuality, I ask her:

    Me: Hey, do you know of a book that talks about female sexuality?

    She stutters a bit by my directness. In Asian cultures, directness about sex b/w strangers is awkward.

    HBDancer: Umm..maybe here (points towards books like karma sutra etc.)

    Me: oh ok (I look through that section for 30 seconds, don't talk to her, don't know what to say)..well not these... By the way, your hair is nice, is that a wig?(neg)

    HBDancer: No, it's real

    Me: ok, I am looking for something that chronicles the female perspective relationships.


    HBDancer: Hmmm....I'm not too sure (Body language seems closed)

    Me: Well, ok.. what do you have to recommend? (Mirror her body language)

    HBDancer: What about this "Why men love bitches"

    Me: No, I want the female perspective on relationships, not how to get men for females. I know what's attractive to guys, I AM ONE!

    .fluff
    .fluff
    .fluff

    HBDancer: Are you doing research or something?

    Me: No, I have a personal interest in psychology (DHV)

    HBDancer: Ok, what about this...

    .fluff
    .fluff
    .fluff

    Me: What do you do?

    HBDancer: I'm a dancer

    Me: Oh cool. (Qualify her, provides balance for the neg??)

    HBDancer: You're a student right?

    Me: Yes, I study at XXX (DHV, kinda of like the Harvard of Asia) in their business faculty (DHV, most prestigious faculty)

    HBDancer: Which year do you study? (IOI?)

    Me: Year 3. (Shit, I should have made her jump through my hoops!!!)

    HBDancer: Hey, I gotta go find my friends but you seem like a cool person, give me your e-mail and we should talk more about this subject...

    Me: Oh ok...(fills in e-mail)

    I leave, shit I didn't time-bridge!!

    Suggestions from debriefing:

    1) Could've asked HBDancer's number. Simply when she is writing her e-mail I go, hey write down your number as well.

    2) Time-bridge with HBDancer, but even if you didn't it's fine. Do something on the e-mail

    3) Don't ask for her number until the 4th e-mail, otherwise you shall seem needy

    4) Stay behind to fluff a bit so that it doesn't seem like you're there for the number only

    There seemed to be not much attraction with HBDancer, simply comfort gotta move this future and set up a day 2!!


    Please keep in mind that these 2 closes took place with 4-5 burned sets until I got comfortable.

    Comments greatly appreciated!!

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    Default Re: Field Report: HBabc and HBDancer

    not bad. you did good but def. need to find the hook points cause once you pull the number and bounce it leaves them with a bad taste and memory for you. you need to make sure you didnt make their number a goal in ur book. you did it cause you enjoyed their company and want to see them again. the second approach was good cause she asked and you went along. it makes it seem like she is a cool person and u enjoyed her company.
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    Default Re: Field Report: HBabc and HBDancer

    Hey Crobinson,

    "not bad. you did good but def. need to find the hook points cause once you pull the number and bounce it leaves them with a bad taste and memory for you."

    What do hook points have to do with me leaving after taking the number?


    What are some other rough edges? how can I make it from not bad to great?

    Also, in regard to pandora's box, I think that HBDancer was a tester, because she was approached directly previously and she laughed and teased the approacher. Then I went indirect and got her contact...What to say if one goes direct and she rejects (under the assumption that she's a tester)?

    Thanks in advance
    Last edited by TheApostle; 07-03-2010 at 05:48 PM.

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    Default Re: Field Report: HBabc and HBDancer

    basically you dont want to go into the interaction with it seeming like a goal for her number. you need to reach that hook point where she is finally investing in the interaction. just imagine what she thinks if you get her number and bounce. wow he really wanted my number i guess. it displays that your too goal oriented and already putting her on a pedestal.
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    Default Re: Field Report: HBabc and HBDancer

    Oic.

    Hey,

    I would like to game HBDancer via e-mail for a bit(4 e-mails later) and then setup a day 2. The thing is we went sarging and I think 2 guys went direct on her that day and failed. I went indirect and got her contact w/o the initial intention of getting it.

    I was thinking that the first e-mail to HBDancer should be somewhat concise?

    1) Self-intro (where we met,etc) some specifics from the convo to make her feel that I listened...nice meeting you bye bye...no question no nothing so it won't seem like I'm gaming her, or need her to reply (no neediness)

    2) Hopefully she'll reply, then I enter a question that requires investment, 3) she replies, 4) I reply another loaded question, 5) she replies, 6) bam ask for her phone number and to talk to HBDancer in person.

    This is idealistic ,I know, but this is my plan so far. Comments? Any pointers will help my text game is definitely a long way from solid.
    Last edited by TheApostle; 07-04-2010 at 12:06 PM.

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    Default Re: Field Report: HBabc and HBDancer

    actually when you email her is just like a first text. there a few things that make an effective first text. 1. It needs to engage her emotions, causing her to re-affirm her attraction to you
    2. It needs to set a fun, playful tone for the interaction to come
    3. It needs to compel her to respond

    so to send something about what you guys talk about is ok but not the best. lets say you guys talk about a recent movie. make a joke to her about it "oh hey stalker face, even though im still wearing a shirt and my name isnt jacob black..." it allows you to tease playfully and recall a rapport topic you guys had. cool?
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    Default Re: Field Report: HBabc and HBDancer

    Ok first off not totally bad but we need some work. My question is what’s your goal? Are you just looking to Number Close and feel cool for doing so or are you looking for high quality women to bring into your life? Cause from what you have done here it looks like the first option. You have got to be willing to move on from that an push beyond the first step and move the interaction beyond a number close. A number close is a true ioi that she wants to be escalated and you should do so.

    Me: Hey, I was standing their with my friends, and I saw you walking across and I thought I'd kick myself if I didn't say hi, you're really pretty (Grounding)”

    - ok lets take the really pretty part out and change it to something like “your cute so I had to come see if there was more to you then just a good smile” or something like that you don’t want to display to much interest even when you go really direct like this.

    “Me: (Implanting a false-statement to force her to go into A3) You seem like you just came back from work (She looked like a university aged)”
    - you cant move someone to a3 when you haven’t been in a1 first, doesn’t sound like you even at a hook point yet.

    Over all on the first girl ill give you props for approaching a woman and going direct, but after that it could have been better. No worries just learn from it, that’s what’s really important here.

    On second girl:

    Nice use of a situational opener

    “Me: oh ok (I look through that section for 30 seconds, don't talk to her, don't know what to say)..well not these... By the way, your hair is nice, is that a wig?(neg)”
    - try next time asking if its real, not if it’s a wig and then you can play off that for a moment or two. Make it playful not a$$holeish

    When you DVHed about the pshychology did you have a story or backround to back it up? If so great job throwing it in there

    “Me: Yes, I study at XXX (dhv, kinda of like the Harvard of Asia) in their business faculty (DHV, most prestigious faculty)”
    - be careful thinking that just cause you say I go to xxx school that its going to show value. I know tons of doctors lawyers and great business men who are filthy rich and did go to brown, Harvard, Stanford and so on that have no game what so ever and will throw that idea out there and get busted on it all the time. It sounds like your trying to qualify yourself to her. Instead make her chase it out of you. So say something simple yeah im a student. And of course her next question is going to be where, and then you can answer her and reward her for showing interest in you.

    “HBDancer: Which year do you study? (IOI?)”
    - I don’t think its an ioi just normal conversation, what was her body language doing then?

    Once again over all not bad, game doesn’t have to be perfect to work, there are no magic words. So if she is asking you for your stuff I would say that is a successful set.

    You sounds like you have the stuff to go out there and do this just need some polishing to make it shine and sparkle.


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    Default Re: Field Report: HBabc and HBDancer

    Thanks tcomea2,

    Really appreciate your comments!

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    Default Re: Field Report: HBabc and HBDancer

    np lets us know where else we can help


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