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  1. #1
    lez999 Guest

    Default I need help BAD!

    Ok so the back story is another thread but basically picked up a waitress last saturday night and then tonight I went out with her. It didn't go great.

    http://www.puaforums.com/pick-up-fie...ss-number.html

    Ok so i finally went out with her tonight. There aren't many good places in town to go, so I met her at a certain place and then suggested we go to this bar. She said ok but when we got there she said nah lets go somewhere else. We went somewhere else and sat at the bar. Her body language wasn't great and a lot of the time the conversation didn't flow. She seem disinterested quite a lot of the time. She didn't give me IODs per se but then not much IOIs either. Then at some point it did flow and she was laughing and we got on quite well. After about two hours I suggested we bounce and head somewhere else but she seemed a little exhausted so I said hey, we can call it a night if you like. She said yeah she is really tired and had a very long day and needs to be up in the morning but that next time we can go to the place I want. I walk her back to hers and she asks me when I am flying and I say in a week and a half and that we would see each other before. She said yeah and it seemed to end ok (albiet a very short date ). She did seem sincere about wanting to see me again. I then went to sit with my mates and 20 minutes later, different clothes who do I see walking down the street, but her!!! I was like err, hello? She said oh she needs to go to work (she's a bartender)... and then left.

    I texted her saying 'Yeah that looked really bad.." and didn't get a reply.

    Now I know this probably couldn't have gone any worse. The signs are awful and the fact that she then went out again (whether or not she was telling the truth which is a possibility) is bad. Why wouldn't she just say so, why did she just not reply etc.

    Ok, so I want another shot with her. Is it possible and if so how do I do it? (Was thinking texting her on monday being like, "ok so that was the worst first date ever, give me another chance and ill make it up to you" or something?

    I need help on this one. BAD.

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    Default Re: I need help BAD!

    ok wow. well i could point out plenty of stuff wrong. first off you didnt mention any keno, no sexual escaltion, when the conversation died you did not try to multi thread or even use some of our games to make her laugh. then when going to a bar and having her say no and choose a place. why let her lead the interaction. choose another place you like. then you didnt seem alpha at all. why not try some social proof. if your going to a bar, get some friends out with you who can help bring you out of your shell so ur not introverted and you seem to be the life of the party. so obviously you were boring enough that when you tried to switch venues that she didnt even want to come along, she wanted to go somewhere else.

    i have sometimes made an excuse of going to a house party/ other bar where i have some friends and i know the bartenders. that allows you to have fun, work game and ultimately help out your game cause she is relying on just you to lead the interaction

    so some things you need to work on first is conversation flow and how to come back from a dead conversation. maybe even playing some games to get her talking, or to neg her, or to disqualify her. i mean play something silly like marry, fark, kill. that game is always fun especially with alcohol involved. then that could lead to her talking about her type, getting to know her, building some rapport and comfort. it allows you to use some keno and then even setup for sexual escalation. when she is talking about marriage and farking, that allows you to openly sexually escalate. so go for it. but maybe you can come back from it.

    DO NOT!!! send that beta message. that shows you are not confident, that the interaction was horrible and puts her on the spot to dawg on you. send something more alpha even something that could neg. and something where she has to make it up to you.
    examples:
    "Hola there feisty pants?!? Ok well since im flying out soon i was considering inviting you out to...." this says nothing about the horrible date, it holds a strong frame while showing a non pushy time line that she needs to see you soon.
    or you can do it where you guys have a movie thing, which allows you to escalalte while also calling her out.
    "Ok liar Mcliarsen. After that we need to have a better night. I have some amazing wine and a bunch of movies? Would you like to watch movies with me tonight? check yes[] or yes []! pajamas are required"

    ok so the next exampled caller her out about lying but was not very direct at all and kept a very playful tone like its no big deal. then it showed you guys will be just drinking and chilling which sets it up for a good night. you use a funny technique of check yes or yes from race de priests text game and then you put a requirement for her to wear pajamas. overall both these messages are very both alpha and could get you another meet up. if you mess up again its probably done
    I live in my reality and you’re a guest

  3. #3
    lez999 Guest

    Default Re: I need help BAD!

    Quote Originally Posted by crobinson1 View Post
    ok wow. well i could point out plenty of stuff wrong. first off you didnt mention any keno, no sexual escaltion, when the conversation died you did not try to multi thread or even use some of our games to make her laugh. then when going to a bar and having her say no and choose a place. why let her lead the interaction. choose another place you like. then you didnt seem alpha at all. why not try some social proof. if your going to a bar, get some friends out with you who can help bring you out of your shell so ur not introverted and you seem to be the life of the party. so obviously you were boring enough that when you tried to switch venues that she didnt even want to come along, she wanted to go somewhere else.

    i have sometimes made an excuse of going to a house party/ other bar where i have some friends and i know the bartenders. that allows you to have fun, work game and ultimately help out your game cause she is relying on just you to lead the interaction

    so some things you need to work on first is conversation flow and how to come back from a dead conversation. maybe even playing some games to get her talking, or to neg her, or to disqualify her. i mean play something silly like marry, fark, kill. that game is always fun especially with alcohol involved. then that could lead to her talking about her type, getting to know her, building some rapport and comfort. it allows you to use some keno and then even setup for sexual escalation. when she is talking about marriage and farking, that allows you to openly sexually escalate. so go for it. but maybe you can come back from it.

    DO NOT!!! send that beta message. that shows you are not confident, that the interaction was horrible and puts her on the spot to dawg on you. send something more alpha even something that could neg. and something where she has to make it up to you.
    examples:
    "Hola there feisty pants?!? Ok well since im flying out soon i was considering inviting you out to...." this says nothing about the horrible date, it holds a strong frame while showing a non pushy time line that she needs to see you soon.
    or you can do it where you guys have a movie thing, which allows you to escalalte while also calling her out.
    "Ok liar Mcliarsen. After that we need to have a better night. I have some amazing wine and a bunch of movies? Would you like to watch movies with me tonight? check yes[] or yes []! pajamas are required"

    ok so the next exampled caller her out about lying but was not very direct at all and kept a very playful tone like its no big deal. then it showed you guys will be just drinking and chilling which sets it up for a good night. you use a funny technique of check yes or yes from race de priests text game and then you put a requirement for her to wear pajamas. overall both these messages are very both alpha and could get you another meet up. if you mess up again its probably done

    Don't worry I wasn't going to send that message I was just trying to convey to confident bashed beta that I am feeling right now. I did do some keno and she started to respond to it playfully hitting me etc. Its just the convo seemed a little forced at times and it seemed awkward.

    Ok, I like the texts. Do you not think if I send the latter she will be like 'err, who the fuck is this guy? I wasn't lying. :/' You really think I should call her out on it?

    Also, can you tell me some of the games? I dont know any of them including marry fark etc. Can you tell me some others?

    When should I send the text?

  4. #4
    JuanPablo75 Guest

    Default Re: I need help BAD!

    well dude, i'm no expert, i'm kinda stuck whit a waitress to lol, but i thing that, if u get a new date whit this babe, u should planed the date , i mean, not only a plan A, a plan B also, ( i dont remember who said that if u didn't use the plan b u did something wrong lol).

    a tip, if she is a bartender.... going out at night, to pubs....... for me isn't a great idea, u r going out whit her in the exact moment of the day were she feels more confortable, i think it will be a cool idea planing the date during the afternoon, a park whit street artist, a carnival ...... but u must planed before were to go and were to go if option 1 fails, she will be out of her natural work enviroment, ( night time clubs pubs etc.... ) and on a moment of day were u can enjoy the sun, walk, i guess more places to go and were rest a bit and game her more properly.........

    well, that's what i though, i'm not sure if i'm explain properly lez999, i'm still improving my english lol. good luck, dude, and invite me to the wedding ok???? , so i can game the bride female friends

  5. #5
    lez999 Guest

    Default Re: I need help BAD!

    Ok there's been a bit of an update. I was sitting in a bar and saw her walk past. I walked after her and said hello. She seemed genuinely happy to see me. I asked how work was and she said it sucked cos she was on the roaster and she is now really tired. We talked for a couple of minutes, nothing fancy just a couple of things we did today. I then turned away and said ok listen we will talk this week (and get together) to which she body complied.

    Ok, so I may have jumped the gun. It still wasn't a great date, that's for sure but I MIGHT get a second chance now. I have a friend's goodbye party tomorrow night who is going to do an internship at the white house. It would be great to get her to come along as my friends will social proof me and I will be in a natural environment. but if I text her:

    'hola super nerd, my friend has an internship in washington at the white house and is having a goodbye party. come with me."

    I feel if I send that I am setting myself up for her saying no, for whatever reason (most likely she is working which is a very likely possibility considering she wasn't working tonight).

    Any better suggestions? Should I just scrap the goodbye party and go for something more intimate?


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