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    old_as_a_fossil is offline Aspiring PUA
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    Default Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    I'm quite frustated with my lack of success with chicks here, and my eyes go wide when I see guys in other countries with so many lays under their belt. For example I'm just returning from a nightclub empty handed. I went there quite early, around 8.30 pm. Music at that time was low enough and people were slowly starting , tricking in. My specific agenda was to make some efforts and post here to see if things are different in USA/UK etc. The cover charge was extremely high at Rs.1000, and drinks were very expensive.
    Here are my wasted approaches.
    1. While I was ordering a drink at the bar bench, 2 girls came over for ordering. I opened "Hey guys, how is it going?" and they mumbled "good" with a slight smile and turned their faces to act as if they are busy. I asked "Just 2 two guys?" and they said no and pointed to a guy and a girl sitting at the sofa. I said "Come here often?", she said "No", I said "Me too, just come here first time", and she showed no interest to continue conversation. As I had ordered a white coloured drink called cocunut Icelander and one of the girls was curiously looking at it, I said "YOu are thinking it is looking weird. It is, isn't it!". And she was like "whatever". Then the other two members of their group - a guy and a girl joined them at the bench. I made a small talk with the guy and learned that he is the brother of the 2 girls I talked to, and that the other girl with him is the one he is banging. When they went back to the sofa I acted friendly with the guy and sit by his side and introduced myself and shook hands with his gf. Right after he took her away leaving his sisters alone. I again talked to the sisters saying "Why don't you guys bring your parents along, more than half your family is here." They said "Yeah, next time" and immediately acted too busy talking among themselves, ignoring my manly presence. I felt insulted and moved away to near the swimming pool.

    2. I see a set of 3 girls, one of them piping hot. I casually said "Hey guys, how is it going?". They acted like statues, and not a word. I said "Your defences already up, huh?". Again no response. I moved away.

    3. Now there were 2 girls - a white western and an Indian. They were playing among themselves by writing crap with a sketch pen upon on the backside of each other's shirts. I asked the western chick what she just wrote on her friend's shirt, and she pointed out to a big butterfly wings, and was pulled into some chit chat with her friends (they were part of a bigger group). I waited nearby for an opportunity again. They were too busy playing among themselves, guys and girls, with sketch pens, writing on their chests, shirts etc. Then the Indian girl wrote on the western girls' backside - "Take me to your hotel room tonight". I remarked, "What a wicked comment you have written!", the western girl asked me what is that she wrote, and I said it, then said to the Indian girl "Why are you writing your own wishes on someone else's back?" and she said "Because she is my best friend" . I was like "Oh." and they both ran away somewhere like they can't live without their friends. Instead of saying "Oh" I should have said "So you admit that is your wish!" , but I doubt even that would have prevented them from moving away.

    4. By now the music has become extremely loud, and people are all dancing. I go into the dance floor, just shaking my head in rythm. Everyone was strictly dancing within their own group. No eye contacts with strangers. Absolutely none. Every girl was pretending like her friend group is her world. I spotted a western girl with blonde hair and starred deep into her eyes a few times, and finally got a little eye contact from her. I was going to talk something to her but the music was blazing, I knew she would hear nothing I speak, so I waited for an opportunity for when it subsides a bit. But it never happened. Meanwhile the western girl's hands were taken by some guy in her group and I eject.

    There were many hot girls' groups, but like I said they were not even making eye contacts, and the music being so lould, no approaches on the dance floor.

    5. It was nearly closing time (10.45 pm) and I walk again by the swimming pool. I see 2 girls sitting at a table. I walked to them, and asked "Hey guys, how is it going?" The music was flowing even to this distance, and I had to repeat myself again, and they were like "Good". One of them was unresponsive and was playing with her cellphone. I sat at a chair, wondered a second what to talk, and then asked "Can I ask you a female opinion on something". Again I had to repeat myself because of the music pouring in, and also my voice was weak from the cold air by the pool side. I had to lean forward like a wuss boy to let them hear me clearly. Then I asked "This is a very important question.. If you are dating a guy for a only a short time, like 3-4 months, and he proposes, would you consider him clingy or possessive.?" I further explained myself saying "My sister has been dating a guy for only 2 months and he's proposed to her, so I needed to ask." Usually the guy has to move away from the opener, but she did that job for me by just asking "You came alone here?" . I said "Yes", she asks, "Why, no friends?", I say "I could make some friends here , ha ha" and she says "ha ha". Then I point to the unresponsive girl and say "This is your friend?", she says "No, she is my sister". I ask "Just the 2 of you?", and she says "No, my bf is here" , I ask "Where is he?", she says "He is waiting in the lounge, we came here so that I can smoke." I say "So are you guys from North East India?", judging by the colour of their skin. She says, "No, we are from Thai", I expressed my surprise how much they resemble people form North East India, and she was like "No man." Then I said my name and asked their names. Then suddenly they got up to leave saying "It was nice meeting you." I quickly blurted out, "Why don't we talk again later" they were like nodding , but did not stop from walking away (probably did not know I meant to grab their number), so I could not ask their phone number.

    I was frustated and left the bar and came back to my empty apartment.
    If it helps the analysis, I'm extremely bald, with a very prominent horse-shoe shaped baldness. I reckon it could be a turn off for women as I'm the only bald guy in the whole bar.

    Anyway, do you think I should try going to some other country for getting laid on Newyear's eve?

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    Default Re: Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    I need to quickly decide, because I need to get the visa on Monday if I'm going.
    Oh, and I do approach girls during day time also, but for some unknown reason, that doesn't work out either. For example, even today morning I was talking to a girl at the gym whom I had already talked to, asked out, and been rejected. She was like unresponsive, and just answering my questions. My mom is never able to comprehend why a guy earning truck loads of money is such a failure with women. She thinks girls should be falling all over me, although she is personally vexed to see my horse-shoe bald head.

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    Default Re: Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    Going abroad to get laid is just a really expensive form of prostitution with some new scenery. That's just pathetic man. You can do better. I have faith in you.

    Watch Fight Club.

    Shave your head.

    Check out unbreakable by Christian Hudson or something.

    One thing you have going for you is that you are actually trying, not just keyboard jokeying.

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    Default Re: Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    BTW things are not easier here in the USA/UK. Not at all. If anything, it's harder.

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    old_as_a_fossil is offline Aspiring PUA
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    Default Re: Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    Going abroad to get laid is just a really expensive form of prostitution with some new scenery. That's just pathetic man. You can do better. I have faith in you.

    Watch Fight Club.

    Shave your head.

    Check out unbreakable by Christian Hudson or something.

    One thing you have going for you is that you are actually trying, not just keyboard jokeying.
    Prostitution? Clean your mouth. Prostitution is if I pay the girl, not for paying the Airlines company.
    I checked the airticket price to UK, it is like Rs.30,000 roundtrip, which is alright to spend for like once a year, as I earn four times that amount per month. For USA ticket price is twice that. It might be worth the money to travel and get laid on the important Newyear's eve, afterall I wasted Rs.1000 lastnight at a nightclub here. Btw Indians constitute the biggest tourist population in UK, and they travel for useless reasons like "visiting places".

    "Shave your head" is a too common advice I have heard so many times. It doesn't work like that. I did shave my head few months ago, and even right after shaving the horse-shoe was visible and became more visible in the following days. And it did not necessarily cause any boost in my confidence. In the movies they do make-up and/or adjust lighting effects so that the horse-shoe is not visible.
    Last edited by old_as_a_fossil; 12-19-2010 at 04:23 AM.

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    old_as_a_fossil is offline Aspiring PUA
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    Default Re: Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    BTW things are not easier here in the USA/UK. Not at all. If anything, it's harder.
    Can you say how? From what I have read on many forums, the success levels of guys in USA/UK/Australia is simply astounding. For example there was an Australian guy 22 yrs of age with 41 f-closes.

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    Default Re: Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    Dude, that's because the PUA community mostly spans the English speaking world. It's not because our women are easier to game than Indian women. I live in a community of Indian immigrants, and they are by no means harder to date at all. The Australian guy with 41 F closes did not do it because he lived in Australia, he did it because he was good. You ask me how I can say this? I am an American after all, I know what it's like here, and in England where my grandparents came here from.

    Furthermore, of course it's not direct prostitution, it's metaphorical. You're paying to get laid. You are turning to the wrong places and making the wrong decisions to fix your problem. You need to work on yourself, you have a low self esteem apparently, and your game is real bad from what you said in your post. You need to fix that stuff, not buy a plane ticket. The UK is not some magical land where women will just float into your bedroom. I promise you that if you come to the UK or US or Australia in the state you are in now, and act the same way, you are just going to have wasted 30,000 Rs.

    I am telling you bro, work on yourself. Work on your style, your confidence, your game. Spend the 30,000 on things that will better you, like unbreakable, or HTGAG by Steve Nash, or Style Life Challenge, or all of them. Style is one of the greatest PUA's in the entire history of mankind, and he has a horseshoe, and he shaves his head, which is why I recommended that.

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    Default Re: Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    I believe you mention low self esteem because I mentioned my bald head. I don't think I obsess about it when I approach women, although I may feel sad about it during other times. I mentioned bald head because my guess is that the girls find it unattractive, rather than it causing me to act insecure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    It's not because our women are easier to game than Indian women. I live in a community of Indian immigrants, and they are by no means harder to date at all. The Australian guy with 41 F closes did not do it because he lived in Australia, he did it because he was good.
    I completely agree that I won't get laid just because I go abroad. When I can't find any obvious reason why so many times I get shot down, I naturally think it may be problem with the women, rather than with me. For example few weeks ago I had made an approach to 3 girls sitting at a bar, and they kept ignoring my "Hi guys" for 3 times! And then when one of them opened their mouth it was to say they are all getting married next month. And after I went back to my seat, the bar guy came to me and said the girls complained about me, and that I should not disturb them. I had not loitered around acting like a wuss etc. I had walked just straight to them and tried to talk but their defenses were already up. Just like the 3 set that ignored me yesterday night. There had been other sets of women whom I had tried to open in the past but shot me down without giving me a chance to speak with them.

    I've made numerous approaches on women who are by themselves and gotten their numbers (I never get this far with group approaches) but they never once came for a date. It is continuous failures that made me think about checking out other countries. Money lost is alright, but time and youth lost is lost forever. That's my worry.
    Last edited by old_as_a_fossil; 12-19-2010 at 02:02 PM.

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    Default Re: Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    I really respect that you obviously try hard. But, the problem is definitely not with the women. I read your first post and I can tell it's that you lack any sort of game. You aren't engaging the women at all. Spend the money on unbreakable, it will teach you some permanent skills, and How to Get a Girlfriend by Steve Nash. That is money very well spent and with that plus some practice, you should get much better.

    You are insecure about your hair situation if you mentioned it, even if it doesn;t consciously affect you during the approach. Consider the actor Bruce Willis of the Die Hard films - he has horseshoe baldness, and it's noticeable in the films, although he keeps it very short, and tons of women like him. I was talking to a really hot Brazilian girl a few weeks ago that said that he is like the perfect man, along with Vin Diesel. At any rate, you need to deal with your hair in a way that makes it stylish enough, while also learning some social skill. You will get good, but you need to improve yourself.

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    Default Re: Indian thinking of going abroad to get laid on Xmas/Newyear's eve

    waddap fossil
    ima give u some advice on going away in order to get laid. i live in ny n girls here r on some next level man let me tell u. i always had dis perception dat whenever i went somewhere for vacation i was more successful wit women. but the truth of the matter is. if one is somewhere where he's not from; his accent, way of dressin, perspective on things is not the same as everyone else. one is gonna stand out from the rest of the guys n spark curiosity in women. u r the new kid on the block. also since one is new there, one can take on a new Mindset cus one doesnt have all the baggage dat one does where he lives. no one knows if u have no women in ur life if u have a boring lifestyle etc. so u have a chance to take on a role of new n better u.
    my advice is take this concept n apply it to where u live. b different from the rest of guys. dress differently, have a unique style, have interesting subjects for conversations, always stay on a positive frame bout who r and u r capable of. everytime u meet a new girl u have the chance to impact her n give her the impression dat u r best u can b. b the new foreign guy dat sparks interest curiosity n attraction in women. offer them something they r not gettin from everyone else. girls r tired of bein hit on by the same dudes wit the same approaches askin them the same questions talkin bout the same subjects n doin the same things. so b a new, better, unique, refreshing fossil.
    i give u props for keep trying bro. now dat u saw the way u approach n open women doesnt werk try a different way. wit ma interactions, successful or not, i always go back n analyze. if it werked. wat n how did i do it that resulted in success. if it didnt. y didnt it werk? u r gonna learn bout wat u r doing. the positive things u keep n the negative u werk on till they become positive also.
    the material mentioned by raven is great. also magic bullets by savoy is great for social dynamics n gives u explanations n examples of the werkings. but i must also tell u dat most of ur learning is gonna come from ur experience on the field. keep werkin on it n dont take rejection personal. if u got turned down u learn from it the next time u have more knowledge n u r gonna do a diff n better interaction. stay up man
    Last edited by chulin; 12-20-2010 at 12:34 AM.


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