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    Default My "Demonic Confidence" Field Reports

    Hey, guys. Since my biggest sticking point is the cold approach and in some cases Approach Anxiety, I have decided to finally get rid of all that once and for all.

    I came across a program called Demonic Confidence by a guy called Lucas West. The "Demonic Confidence Progressive Conditioning System" is supposed to be a 21 day program that is allegedly the "only one"* on the market designed to permanently install a state of fearlessness, total self-assurance, confidence, control, eliminate all approach anxiety and never hesitate when talking to another woman.

    Pretty big claims here. Personally, I got sold by it and by a few of the reviews that other guys worked with this program. Whether it's as good as they say or not, we'll see when it comes to the end.

    Starting tomorrow, March 28, I'll post daily updates on my progress with Demonic Confidence.

    *There is actually one more product called Monster Confidence but it only takes 7 days to complete, so I went for the bigger challenge, here.



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    Day 1

    Mission : Ask for the time.
    Duration : 1h:30min
    Location : Street
    Women Approached : 40 ( mostly HB8 - HB9.5, with 5 exceptions : 2 HB6, 2 HB7, 1 UG )

    Here it is, first day of the program. It started off well and it went smooth. I don't really remember how the first sets looked like, all I know is that there was a slight feeling of nervousness in the top of my chest. After the first 5 sets, that nervousness turned into excitement. And it kept it's momentum up until sets 15-17, when everything after that became automatic.

    Big mistake when I approached set 16, I believe. I came from behind and the girls were somewhat irritated. I only realized this after I've opened them and said a "ooops" to myself.

    Up until from set 18-21, no HB smiled back, but they started to do so after this point.

    I got blown off at set 21. No big deal.

    I noticed something pretty strange when I was around the time I approached set 24-26. Between these three sets, a fair amount of time passed ( 6 min each ). And I started to feel slightly nervous again. But that soon changed, anyway.

    From set 26-39, everything became automatic again.

    I approached a couple ( don't really remember which set it was, either 32 or 33 ). I asked the girl, the guy tried to pull his phone out of his pocket but started to fumble. The girl eventually told me the time, but the look on the guy's face was priceless ( a "oh, crap" kinda look )

    Got blown off again at set 39. Again, no big deal.

    The curious thing is that both blowoffs were unattractive women. As a paradoxical result, ugly women are more likely to blow you off than solid HB's. Not enough evidence, though. Will test this in the following days.

    And I've confirmed to myself yet again how important body language is in an interaction, even if it's as meaningless as this, which was kind of an epiphany. 100% of the time when I body rocked ( 50 % of the entire time, give or take 1% ), the girl either started to get nervous and fumble with the phone or turn her body towards me. And we're talking about HB9's here.

    I've also noted that I had some objections when I tried to approach, some were valid, some were "only in my head" :

    - Too far away/looking in another direction ( in my head )
    - She's with a guy ( in my head )
    - She's busy searching for something ( in my head )
    - Looks like she's in a hurry ( in my head )

    - Huge-ass clock in front of me ( valid, but for the fark of it, I'll do a bonus day 22 and I'll place myself in front of the clock and still ask for the time just to see what results I have )
    - Not hot enough ( DUH, valid )
    - Talking on the phone ( valid )

    Results from this day : 10% increase in confidence.
    Last edited by Sitfab; 03-28-2011 at 09:17 AM. Reason: Added Information

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    Day 2

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    : Ask for the time with a watch on your wrist/cellphone in your hand.
    Duration : 30min
    Location : Street
    Women Approached : 11 + 1 man

    Day 2, guys, but not what I expected it to be. Since I woke up the weather pretty much sucked and still does. And had a lot of work to do too. Bad weather + so little time = goddammit.

    Everything went smooth, again. No hang-ups, no nervousness, but no excitement either ( not that much, anyway ). It pretty much became automatic as soon as I started doing it.

    No blow-offs today. Although there were 2 of them that either were outstandingly dumb or control freaks. And one of them was actually a man. I can NOT believe that there are people who actually ask you "Why do you need the time for?" Keep in mind, my cellphone was CLEARLY visible. How the fark can you NOT do the math here? I refuse to believe that people can actually be THAT dumb. I tried soooo hard to control myself not to give a sarcastic answer. So, in conclusion, control freaks. No labeling, just an observation.

    Anyway, back to the report. The chick that asked me "Why do you need the time for?" had an OK ass and legs, but she's a butterface. So I'll add this to the conclusion that HB7 and below are more likely to blow you off for such a simple thing than HB8's and upward. Interesting. Will still keep testing.

    Because of the weather, there was a shortage of babes on the street. Very few. And the ones that were either they were speaking on the phone ( which were a lot of them ) and one was carrying a sh1tload of papers.

    Since the program advises you to do at least half an hour of this and no more than 2 hours, I tried to go for the half hour at the very least. Almost didn't pull it through, so lucky me. Also, the program advises you that if you skip a day, you'll have to do it all over again. And I don't want that, because I want to do this til the end in one shot.

    Having a phone in your hand seems to not affect the outcome at all. They ( the HB's ) assume from the start that you want to check your phone and check with them to see if your watch is working. Pretty simple. And even least invasive than just going for the time, because what you're sub-communicating when you are asking for the time with a watch/cellphone that is visible to the person asked is "I really need the time, no pick-up, no bullsh1t, no gimmicks".

    So even if I body rocked or display Alpha Body Language on HB9's they would still be very formal about it because of what I'm actually sub-communicating. Hence, HB7's and below have a hard time discerning between "lamentably hitting on me with 'What's the time?' or any other stupid question" and "really, truly and genuinely asking for the time" than HB8's and above. This misinterpretation is caused by lack of social intelligence and/or common sense ( IMHO, more of the former than of the latter ).

    Approached 2 couples, again. First couple, the girl gave me the time because the guy started to fumble and in the second couple, the guy gave me the time. Again, guy from the first couple was embarrased. The guys will be the first to try to give the time, but somehow fail to do so.

    Again, one or two objections have arisen that tried to stop me from asking them, and again they were "only in my head" and have countered it accordingly, meaning I went for the HB that was doing or was in that specific situation that stopped me from asking in the first place.

    Results :
    - Decrease in objections
    - Increased Comfort Zone
    - Confidence at the same level as yesterday.

    PS : Since I technically "completed" Day 2 at the bare minimum, according to the course, I did specifically said to myself that I will approach 40 women per course-day, so I'll pick up where I left off tomorrow until I reach 40 and then later during the day go for the actual Day 3.
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    Day 3

    Mission : Ask couples for the time with a watch on your wrist/cellphone in your hand.
    Duration : 1h
    Location : Street
    Couples
    Approached
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    So, Day 3 is done. Started the day with making a plan. Approaching 40 couples in one hour, because of lack of time due to work. It semi-worked, as you can see. And I think it's partly my fault, since I got picky to what couples I should approach, instead of picking any couple that came my way. Mainly because the time slot I operated in was great for couples walking on the street. First half hour : sh1tload of couples. Next half hour : struggling to find even one couple.

    In spite of this, I ran on autopilot from the very beginning. I found myself scanning for couples like I was a F-16 Fighter Jet, found a target, locked the target in, aimed and fired.

    Lucas said on the CD that almost all the time ( 90% of the time, if I remember correctly ) if you ask the girl, the guy will give you the time. My results were partly different. Out of the 21 couples approached, 5 times the girl gave me the time, more specifically sets 1, 4, 8, 10 and 16. That's like almost 25% of the time, so it kind of throws this theory out of whack.

    Guy's reaction : a "goddammit, why didn't I think faster" kinda look.

    Surprise, surprise ! Well, not really. I've got blown off 3 times ( sets 3, 12, 18 ). And believe it or not, all of them were lower than HB7. I have a strong feeling this is going to be an epiphany for me at the end of this 21-day challenge. It's getting very interesting and I can't wait to see the final results with the following theory :

    "Attractive and highly attractive women ( HB8 and above ) are more likely to respond to you than less attractive and unattractive women ( HB7.5 and below )" Huh.......Will keep testing to see if this theory is relevant.

    Back to the report. So the first half hour went smooth as fark. But the latter part of the exercise I found myself in trouble. Only because there were "very few" to "no couples" on the street anymore, so obviously very few approaches. But then again, it wouldn't have mattered too much, because I still felt like a Fighter Jet, so it was basically a number's game from then on. Felt totally comfortable the whole time. Objections disappeared completely, though there was one time I did want to approach, but I would've come up from behind, so big no-no.

    So all in all, this was a good day for the soon-to-be "Demonic Confident" me.

    Results :

    - Complete comfort in this type of situation
    - Objections disappeared completely

    PS : Since I felt/feel completely comfortable, I cannot truly assess ( either objectively or subjectively ) the increase of the amount of confidence. We'll see in the following days.

    PPS : There's a slight more stuff to work on Day 3, because after you do the exercise, you have to list your previous objections and re-frame them into affirmations. The way the affirmations are constructed is slightly different than what I was used to. Instead of saying "You are ( insert positive belief ) " or "I am ( insert positive belief )", you construct them as "I am starting to change the belief that ( insert objection from the list you made after those exercises were completed ). Since my limiting beliefs/objections are external ( she's busy, she's way over there, bla bla ) instead of internal ( I'm too fat, I'm unattractive, bla bla ) and since today I had no objections whatsoever, I feel inclined to skip this part, but I'll do it anyway, since I want to stay true to myself.
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    Default Re: My "Demonic Confidence" Field Reports

    Keep up the good work. I think this is a great thread you have going here and can't wait to keep reading. Particularly the HB8 and up theory would be a good confidence booster for a lot of the guys on the forums

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    Day 4

    Mission
    : Ask directions to the post office
    Duration : 1h:30m
    Location : Street
    Women
    Approached
    : 30

    OK, guys, Day 4. Good thing it was a different thing than the last 3 days, because I was getting kinda bored and used to all that.

    This day I had a lot of of blow-offs, actually, more specifically sets 1,8,9,10,12 and 19. ALL of them ( except set 8 and 10 ) were below HB7.5. Starting to see a pattern here BUT there's something I might add.

    Even those who told me the directions didn't really knew where the post office was and actually told me to ask somebody else in addition to what they told me. So some of them were genuine. How many of them, I don't know.

    Set 1. Semi-blow-off. The first set I approached was a 2-set. The one I asked said "no" didn't even looked at me but her friend did ( this one was hotter than the chick I asked initially ). I didn't caught a good glimpse of the one that said no.

    Set 8. Rude blow-off. This was a 2-set. Creoles HB8.5-9. I asked them directions for the post office, one of them looked at me for a second then turned eyes away, both pretended they didn't hear me, they just went on and the other one just shouted from afar without turning her head "Which post-office, dumbass" or something to that effect. I'm slightly amused. Slightly.

    Set 10. Very cute redhead. Judging by her body language, she genuinely didn't know where the post office was. She gave me a very pleasant smile, though.

    Sets 9, 12 and 19. Straight up "no". Maybe they were genuine, maybe not, who knows.

    Funny thing. By accident, I approached the same set twice ). They replied "What? Again?" Big internal "Whoops" here. When I first asked them, they had sunglasses on, but now they didn't. I managed to brush it off, though with "I'm not from around here and most of the people I've asked gave me conflicting directions". I don't think they bought it, but who cares? I won't see them again. ). And if I do, I swear I'll ask them directions to the post office again. )

    One particular set was actually a female friend ( HB8 ) from my then-social circle a few years back who I didn't noticed. Talked for a bit. ( attention-whore ) Then when we said goodbye, she went in for the kiss on the cheek ( initiated by her ) and put both her hands on my chest. Compulsive flirt, I think, BUT I'll test the waters anyway. No harm in that, right? )

    There was another 2 set, a sort of mid 30's pregnant chick and a real hottie ( HB9 ). I asked the pregnant chick, the other chick kept giving me a huge smile. Nice. Contemplated on making a move, but what if the pregnant chick was related to the hottie? Whatever.

    So, overall the day went great. Had fun, was pretty excited. Objections? I don't know, really. I did want to approach some other girls but either I saw them too late or there was somebody walking alongside me from the last group I approached. Oh, well, I need to learn to care even less.

    Results :

    - A new and more healthier "I don't give a fuck" attitude.

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    Day 5

    Mission : Approach and compliment a woman
    Duration : 1h:30m
    Location : Street/Local Mall
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    Oh. My. farking. GOD. It was HORRIBLE. Complete and utter FAILURE. This was literally THE hardest thing I have EVER done or attempted to do.

    Ok, so where do I start....I woke up pretty much OK with the assignment and didn't felt any hang-ups whatsoever. Once I got out and tried to start doing it, I open my mouth, but nothing comes out of it. This is actually the first time in the program I had to create excuses to myself why I shouldn't do it.

    Every single time I tried to approach, my mind actually blanks out and freaks out. UGH. I literally got headaches because of this. Jesus Christ.

    I don't understand. I've done more crazy sh1t to total strangers. I simply do not understand what happened. I did cold approaches that were dead from the start and crashed and burned and had fun with it.

    I think this was WAAAAAAAAAAY out of my comfort zone. I got too cocky with myself. And almost all the time I told myself "Dude, wtf, you can do this sh1t, man! DO IT!". But I couldn't. The more I forced myself to do it, the more I just blanked out.

    The curious thing is that I really was OK with it. The first thing that popped up in my mind after the first approach was "See? No big deal." But it wasn't enough. The more I approached, the more I felt out of my comfort zone. I don't know if it's only me to blame, but to me, this exercise is too big of a leap in difficulty from the post-office thing. Too big.

    In conclusion, this was a BIG shock for me.....a VERY BIG shock. And I still have the headache as I write this.

    Good thing this copy came with a "Stasis Module" so that I can do this again some other time and not go back to square one.
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    Default Re: My "Demonic Confidence" Field Reports

    WHAT HAPPENED??? DID YOU JUST QUIT ON IT?

    Lol I really want to know bro how you did... got me excited and left me with a cliffhanger,,,
    Be LOUD as hell! Who gives a damn if ppl staare?

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    Default Re: My "Demonic Confidence" Field Reports

    I am with Ace. What is going on with this man? How is your cold approach going. Are you overcoming Approach Anxiety?
    There is no such thing as rejection, only feedback.

    Be the flame, not the moth.

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    Default Re: My "Demonic Confidence" Field Reports

    I didn't finish it, went 10 days in, the just didn't took the time to post it in the journal. Even just 10 days was quite an improvement, enough to shift my whole game to new heights. Sometimes I would get in my head and stay there for quite a while during pick-up, figuring out my next move in advance. Now, nothing, I'm completely out of my head, just blasting left and right, not giving a shit. Developed a new sense of sexual humor, which is completely spontaneous and gets HB's pissing their pants in 2 minutes flat and gets me a hook-up in like 5 min maximum.

    The only thing that still bugs me is that two weeks ago my wing-girl showed me a superb HB9 brunette, and all the time I go for it, but somehow I didn't went for it this time. And in compensation for this, I'm successfully gaming 3 HB's, a HB10 and 2 8's.

    All in all, I'm taking December off from work and get this program over with.


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