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    Default Group of Korean church members...

    OK, this is the reason I signed up; I need some advice from someone more experienced or who can see from a different perspective. I am a 23 year old Asian male (Chinese descent), in shape. 5'10", 156lbs, ~7 percent body fat. My face, well, among Asians (to factor out racial preference) I'm a 7 (conservative guess) to 8.5 (aggressive guess) with 5 being average. I am a first year PhD student, and I love to practice Taekwondo (I'm very good, no bragging). I earn my own living and have my own car and apartment. I'm about average for a PUA but skilled compared to Asians. So I said all that to get you guys an idea of my assets and where I stand. Now, the situation:

    There is a group of Korean girls, mostly church members, who are aged 18-20. They are in my university but they are undergrads (fresh-soph) and I am a grad so we don't have classes in common. I already know them from church (went there to pick up girls, not religious). They hang out with some undergrad guys, Chinese, Koreans, etc... but in my honest opinion, I am better looking than most of them, in better shape than most of them, have better talents than most of them, and have, in general, better assets and can outperform them at anything. Being church members, they're not getting action from these girls, but neither am I. I feel like my assets put me in a great position for easy kills (Korean girls LOVE Taekwondo athletes) and compared to these younger Asian guys, I'm a lot more skilled as a romancer (average as a PUA). Barriers are there to stop me; I'm about 4-5 years older than them, and I'm not in "the group" cus I don't go to church or attend the same classes with them but I feel my skill and assets can overcome these. Question: What exactly is stopping me (what is causing them to not respond romantically but instead in a friendly way) and how can I get with (at least 1 of) these girls? Oh, and there might be a guy, the alpha of that group, who may be undermining me by continuously pointing out my age in a "friendly" way, asking if I feel old. (23 dating a 19 year old is bad?) He's a cut above the rest (in better shape, better looking, plans parties) and might see me as a challenge on "his" girls. Thanks!
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    Default Re: Group of Korean church members...

    Come on, guys, how can I get this many views and no responses? It's not a simple question, I know, (cus I've contemplated it for a long time and can't come up with a solid answer) but I gave lots of info to work on and and any input, even if it's just an observation, it can help. Lots of hot girls, not being put to good use, and beauty expires so every minute is a waste! Help out! LOL
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    Default Re: Group of Korean church members...

    can you describe what, if any, social interactions you've had with them? more specifically what game you've been running. In order to find the reasons for their actions, I need to know what they are responding to.

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    Default Re: Group of Korean church members...

    Social interactions? OK, I've been to drinking parties with them, and seen them at the library, stuff like that. Basically, just friendly chat. This one girl, I got her number and texted her, asking her out. She said let's do it next week, and then next week, she said she was totally sorry and forgot so she made plans with her friend. I texted her keeping the conversation light, about daily life, stuff like that. Another girl, I asked her if she wanted to go to karaoke and she said yes and gave me her number. Later, she texted saying she was busy for the weekend. Another girl seems legitimately interested and made dinner and movie plans with me. She even texted me often starting conversations asking how I was. Then she blew off the date saying she had a huge assignment, which I believe. The people in that group are just difficult. Like 7 guys will surround 1 girl in the library, cock-blocking each other all night. The girls will often party and hang in a group of girls only. I've been running regular game like I would (confident, cool guy in a bad-ass program) any other girls but it works with other girls and not here. This group seems religious and wanna keep things pure or something. Gotta find a way to crack that. I cracked 3 Korean Christians before and can't seem to repeat it even though I was doing the same things.

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    Default Re: Group of Korean church members...

    Quote Originally Posted by thisisSPARTAAAA View Post
    Social interactions? OK, I've been to drinking parties with them, and seen them at the library, stuff like that. Basically, just friendly chat. This one girl, I got her number and texted her, asking her out. She said let's do it next week, and then next week, she said she was totally sorry and forgot so she made plans with her friend. I texted her keeping the conversation light, about daily life, stuff like that. Another girl, I asked her if she wanted to go to karaoke and she said yes and gave me her number. Later, she texted saying she was busy for the weekend. Another girl seems legitimately interested and made dinner and movie plans with me. She even texted me often starting conversations asking how I was. Then she blew off the date saying she had a huge assignment, which I believe. The people in that group are just difficult. Like 7 guys will surround 1 girl in the library, cock-blocking each other all night. The girls will often party and hang in a group of girls only. I've been running regular game like I would (confident, cool guy in a bad-ass program) any other girls but it works with other girls and not here. This group seems religious and wanna keep things pure or something. Gotta find a way to crack that. I cracked 3 Korean Christians before and can't seem to repeat it even though I was doing the same things.
    you definitely have a unique situation. Off the bat, whoever the first girl is who flaked didn't forget. I personally advise against asking out over texting because there's a stigma that goes along with it, which makes you appear less confident. Now in terms of the group as a whole, subtlety is going to be your best tool. If they want to keep things "pure" as you said, you have to run game on them that doesn't make them feel threatened and know right off the bat what your intentions are. (see mystery method on False Disqualification). However, you do want to make sure that you are creating attraction and not just comfort, which would land you in the friend zone. this does not seem like an easy pick up. Next time you approach, open to the whole group but have a target in mind, be confident but don't come on too strong and just try and build rapport in the group. From there its just Isolating the target, building comfort (kino..etc) and sealing the deal.

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    Default Re: Group of Korean church members...

    No doubt, she did not forget. White girls like guts and like to be asked out in person while Asian girls are sentimental and like a text so she can look at it again and again. This is what I think. Your solution sounds smooth as butter, like a well-choreographed martial arts sequence. But executing it is excruciatingly complicated and difficult. I have to stave off anywhere between 2 to 10 of her girlfriends who will try to drag her back into the group. Hanging out with all of them, I just don't know how to do that with 12 girls who prefer to hang out in a group of all girls. Also, with these girls, it is an entirely different pressure gauge for how aggressive to be to get into exactly the range between too strong/ threatening and friend zone. It's like juggling knives while walking a tightrope. Anyway, seems they all wanted to go out with me but their friends bombarded them with plans that they could not refuse so that was it. The guys are self-righteous asses and can't get a coordinated plan to take that girl group apart. Seems like only plausible way would be to go to church and pretend to be Christian for like a year before I could get one of these girls. That's not worth it; they're hot but they're not that hot. Should I give up? Seriously, do you think it's worth making more attack plans?

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    Default Re: Group of Korean church members...

    Quote Originally Posted by thisisSPARTAAAA View Post
    Social interactions? OK, I've been to drinking parties with them, and seen them at the library, stuff like that. Basically, just friendly chat. This one girl, I got her number and texted her, asking her out. She said let's do it next week, and then next week, she said she was totally sorry and forgot so she made plans with her friend. I texted her keeping the conversation light, about daily life, stuff like that. Another girl, I asked her if she wanted to go to karaoke and she said yes and gave me her number. Later, she texted saying she was busy for the weekend. Another girl seems legitimately interested and made dinner and movie plans with me. She even texted me often starting conversations asking how I was. Then she blew off the date saying she had a huge assignment, which I believe. The people in that group are just difficult. Like 7 guys will surround 1 girl in the library, cock-blocking each other all night. The girls will often party and hang in a group of girls only. I've been running regular game like I would (confident, cool guy in a bad-ass program) any other girls but it works with other girls and not here. This group seems religious and wanna keep things pure or something. Gotta find a way to crack that. I cracked 3 Korean Christians before and can't seem to repeat it even though I was doing the same things.
    If I had any clue what to do with girls, I would try to help.

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    Default Re: Group of Korean church members...

    Do not build comfort on text, the whole point of text is to dhv and get that meet up and only that. and do not ASK her out. go on with your daily life and tell her shes allowed to join in your activities make it known you are ALLOWING her to join your life dont ask her to join. you understand?

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    Default Re: Group of Korean church members...

    I understand the difficulty of dealing with such large amounts of obstacles, another angle you could go with is if you have a group of friends that wouldn't DLV you, you could still open and build rapport with the group, and then merge the set into your own friend group so you don't have to personally handle quite so many obstacles at once

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    Default Re: Group of Korean church members...

    Yeah, I asked 2 of the girls out to dinner but 1 of them, I asked her if she wanted to join me and my friends for karaoke. I see where you're coming from, though. Sometimes it may be beneficial to me to come off a the confident guy who wants a date. That's what I was thinking, and that usually works with normal girls. But these are far from that.


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