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    Default My mates are ALL alpha males- HELP!

    However one in particular is too good with girls, and its natural for him.

    Im not going to start putting myself down at all (im not like that), but ill give you a bit of background info on him and I.

    He is 6ft 3, muscular, mixed race, plays every sport there is, interesting and overall A-mazing with girls.

    I am 5 ft 9, slim, pale, play a few sports, and when i speak to any girl over a 7 i freeze and cant talk to them haha!

    Anyway, i wanted to know, why is it he gets soo much attention, and if there are any short and snappy ways to deflect the attention onto me without being harsh to him, or rude? Any help would be greatly appreciated

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    Default Re: My mates are ALL alpha males- HELP!

    Hi,

    It a cruel world, and looks rule like gold. You need to understand this...

    Money
    Looks
    Fame

    These are the 3 that your born with, or become... Now PUA assists you to combat this but it cannot do miracles.

    You need Charm, wittiness and Humour to drive the attention on to you... why do you freeze when you talk to over a 7. You sound a little shy to me.

    Im chasing one of the hottest models in the country I average at maybe an 8 on looks, not that fit at all... but beat all the handsome guys around.. I guess here the game is weak.. very weak..

    Just build up your skills, be ready to lose a lot to win a lot. My humour which is a recent development of my character gets all the girls laughing at the table.. And instantly attention on me. The others cannot compete hence tend to lose out.

    Build a trait that kicks his ass and use it constantly. Instant attraction to him is not something you can combat.

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    Default Re: My mates are ALL alpha males- HELP!

    If your mates are all alpha males, try to learn from them.

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    Default Re: My mates are ALL alpha males- HELP!

    xcalibar- I guess you are right man, i am a little shy. I will work on this and build on my confidence levels. I only realised the other day when i spoke to a 9...i just stopped talking as i ran out of things to say......(soooo embarrassing)

    Im not ugly, maybe a 6 or 7 at a push, i guess im fairly average.

    As for a trait, as far as humour goes, im one of those unlucky ones who do funny stuff when i dont mean to (i still play it to my advantage a bit if i can) :P

    I will find something that i can use as a weapon though brother thank you for your advice

    SonnyCurtis- yeah buddy, most of the game and confidence i have is through these guys, i was just wondering if there was anything to deflect the attention onto myself. Im just gunna tighten up my game (ALOT) and take it from there.

    Thank you guys

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    Default Re: My mates are ALL alpha males- HELP!

    Hi so first of all how do you guys give girls a number? like how do i know whats a 3 and whats a 6 or 9 ? or 10
    any special tactik do you have to ask other men to agree ?


    i myself is really funny but shy,.... i dont really know how i look (number) i know i dont look like a monster and that im not "HOT" but when girls like say ahh your so funny and cute, any more meening about that or what ?


    and a lot about humor is timing too say the right thing at the right time, fails a lot, when it works BIG WIN !!

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    Default Re: My mates are ALL alpha males- HELP!

    My motto is from classical seduction schools:

    "A ladies man always surrounds himself with beautiful women, and ugly men"

    Separate yourself from your AMOG buddies when you are out. Use them as "home plate" and lay it down to them in no uncertain terms that if you are involved in a conversation with a hot girl to leave you the hell alone that you are busy.

    If they show up and start to AMOG you out, then they are assholes who you need to call out at a later time.

    There is nothing more frustrating than beginning your journey in game and having your own buddies cock blocking you. Go out with them by all means, but explain to them that you are not picking up chicks for them, but for yourself and you need your space when you are in a set.

    Don't let them hold you back, ever. Don't let your big bear of a buddy manhandle you in public. I had a big friend who did that all the time, would try and caveman me around, put his arm around me and shake me, etc. Just being friendly of course but this makes you look like his beta bitch. Avoid that at all costs. Most natural Alpha males cannot help themselves and WILL AMOG you merely out of instinct. You have to cut out all that if you hope to be successful.

    I once had this problem myself. Let them babysit Home Plate. Come back to them only to maintain your social value between sets but really, pickup IMO is something that you do alone at first.

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    Default Re: My mates are ALL alpha males- HELP!

    SiliconMagician- some sound advice there mate. In fact its probably the best advice ive had since ive been on this forum. I will try this when i next go out with him (he isnt so bad on his own, its just when we are with a group of lads) and explain to him- he has helped me out in the past, but the majority of the time he is a big cock block haha!

    Blondy- as far as numbers go, they are a rating out of 10 depending on how hot they are e.g. 1=an absolute monster of a girl and 10 being a complete hotty! This is based on looks....like other PUAs might say, some 10's arent even worth approaching due to there disgusting attitude so sometimes its better to go with a nice 8, instead of a b*tchy 10.
    Hope this helped mate
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    Default Re: My mates are ALL alpha males- HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    SiliconMagician- some sound advice there mate. In fact its probably the best advice ive had since ive been on this forum. I will try this when i next go out with him (he isnt so bad on his own, its just when we are with a group of lads) and explain to him- he has helped me out in the past, but the majority of the time he is a big cock block haha!
    It is not really his fault. He can't help himself. It is his instinct. I've literally had shouting matches with my best friend of 25 years at the bar because he is alpha extreme and he thinks he's "helping" and can't understand that his mere presence is an impediment due to his instinctual nature. He gets insulted and wonders why when I'm in the middle of my sets and lean over to him and whisper in his ear "GTF gone dude, I'm busy". They have absolutely no understanding of social dynamics from our point of view. They only understand that they are good with women, and that by extension their mere presence should be a "help" to you.

    Blondy- as far as numbers go, they are a rating out of 10 depending on how hot they are e.g. 1=an absolute monster of a girl and 10 being a complete hotty! This is based on looks....like other PUAs might say, some 10's arent even worth approaching due to there disgusting attitude so sometimes its better to go with a nice 8, instead of a b*tchy 10.
    Hope this helped mate
    Oh I just LOVE doing this. Let me give you something to look out for that will REALLY boost your chances. All it will take is 5 minutes of observation and you will know everything I know is true.

    Imagine a group of 5-6 women sitting in line at a bar. What you will almost always find will be this pattern.

    7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 ------ 5 (somewhere far away but not so far away the other girls can't keep an eye on fat ugly chick)

    I call this technique "working up the chain". The 10 will ALWAYS be in the center of the line with the uglier girls filling out the ends. This is a result of instinctual "Law of Hierarchy of Primates".

    Watch any group of women for a few minutes and you will see this pattern clear as day. So what I usually do, is approach the 7 and the 8 on the very ends. Get them going. Get them laughing and having a really great time and completely ignore the 10. In fact you want to get the 7 and the 8 to turn their backs on the 10 which they will be MORE than willing to do in most cases.

    This absolutely pisses the 10 off. They absolutely cannot stand the uglier girls getting attention and them getting nothing. This is a subtle neg on them without you even having to say anything. At first she will ignore the interaction, and then as she sees her friends becoming attracted to you, she will almost certainly try to insert herself into the conversation and maybe even attempt to steal your attention away from them. Do NOT fall for it. It is a ploy to get you out of the group and get the attention back on her. The moment you turn your attention to her and and the 7 and 8 are "put in their place" by the alpha bitch, she will jettison you as quickly as she can! Do not allow her to do this to you.

    You can play this social dynamic in SO many ways. The 7 and 8 will definitely love you for it. The 10 will become more available to you as well if you so choose to work your way up the chain.

    I've so many tales I can tell about "working up the chain". NOTHING is more fun than sticking it to the alpha bitch in such a manner. It is Sweetest revenge and you know you are a true PUA when you can manipulate the girls in their own group against each other for your own personal gain.

    This same dynamic applies in other situations as well. When women walk together, they will fall into a single file line with the 10 at the lead and the rest following behind. Oh this is so great.. wait until the pass you and as the last one, the shyest girl, passes by, snatch her out of the group! LOL

    The rest will continue on, and when they get to the spot they were heading they will turn around and wonder where the hell their friend went and will see HER getting the attention from a cute guy that she never gets. Then two things will happen depending on how catty the 10 is. They may just let their friend get some glory.. since chances are when they go out she is almost always ignored, which works for you. Or.. they may come back and try to get her away from you, which gives you an in into the whole group.

    Don't be afraid to call them out on catty BS behavior. Tell them flat out, "Ladies, while I appreciate your concern for your friend I can assure you that I'm a really great guy and I'm having a lot of fun with her at the moment, could you please be kind enough to allow us some space?"

    Oh buddy do they get pissed! LMAO
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    Default Re: My mates are ALL alpha males- HELP!

    So i will try this out the next time i go out (thursday/Friday) ill talk to him. I know what you mean, he thinks he is helping, but ill just tell him to farrk off

    Also, if i approach i will always target the lesser numbers thats just rule of thumb. Imma check this patterning though, it sounds pretty accurate to me haha!

    I would like to here more of these stories, and exchange knowledge if your game. Ill pm you?
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