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    Default Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    One problem that continually crops up among women and men both in my social interaction is the mistaken belief that I'm "weak".

    I have never been able, in my entire life, to shake this image. Despite alpha body language, despite all attempts to work out and improve my body into a more muscular form, the fact remains that I am still a skinny rail of a man who women are not particularly convinced can protect them.

    My DHV's designed to flip the "protector of women" attraction switch often fall flat, they just don't beleive me.

    This problem manifested itself unexpectedly yesterday when i was out with my buddy and his wife. My dude was talking about a time me and him got into a fight with the wrong people at the wrong bar a few years back and had to literally fight our way through a hostile crowd to the front door and escape or get badly hurt or killed.

    His wife looked at me in incredulity and said "Him?? He can fight?" to which my dude responded that he had seen me personally whip the shit out of enough people that he himself wouldn't want to take me on becuase he knows we'd both end up in the hospital.

    This is what I'm talking about. This constant and false image of weakness. It is often a strength for me in confrontations becuase other guys never dream that I'm a "sleeper" and end up getting hurt bad because they underestimate me.

    But this is a game killer otherwise. I don't understand why, merely because I'm not some big muscular guy that I'm always being judged as inferiorly weak. It is annoying as hell becuase I've fought against it my entire life and it is the one game killer that I cannot change and it really holds me back.

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    Default Re: Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    My freshman year of high school I weighed 96 lbs. It was seriously a problem for which I was bullied. A couple of good friends said I should come lift weights with them in the mornings before school because they wouldn't judge me since the morning was nice people instead of jock pricks. I did. I gained 5 lbs a month for a year, puting me at 156 the start of my sophomore year. I know you said you've tried everything, and I know how you feel because I was there too. I couldn't gain at first and told my bio teacher about the problem because he's smart as shit and also helped out in the mornings. He told me to get off the supplements and eat peanut butter. Literally just eat a shit ton of peanut butter. After every workout. I probably went through a jar a week. I'm a certified coach now and occasionally teach breakdance to younger kids. They ask about supplements all the time. Save the money, buy some peanut butter. Fat and protein; gotta have both.
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    Default Re: Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    How much do you weigh, SiliconMagician? Body builders eat an average of 6000 calories a day, but you can start at 3000 calories and 200 grams of protein a day. But there really is no need to prove anything to anyone. If you know that you can kill somebody within a matter of seconds, what does it matter what they think of you? Just laugh at them to their face for underestimating you.

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    Default Re: Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    Quote Originally Posted by Skithiryx View Post
    But there really is no need to prove anything to anyone. If you know that you can kill somebody within a matter of seconds, what does it matter what they think of you? Just laugh at them to their face for underestimating you.
    From what I'm understanding that's not what the problem is. We're getting into evolution here. Larger, taller, more muscular men are more appealing from an evolutionary standpoint. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But bigger taller men will always have an advantage if the women doesn't even get the chance to talk to you. All you have to do is ask girls. They want taller, muscular men. You can overcome that through how you qualify yourself, but it's more work and will only work with the right women, when you could (if you can) just workout instead. But do you want those women? The arguement is circular and self-conflicting.

    Why do you think women go apeshit over wrestlers? It isn't the singlets, and many of them are shorter than the women they date. Confidence too yeah, but size of you body plays a role. It can't be denied. [Live in Iowa, corn-fed. We wrestle, and we crank out some of the best in the nation.]
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    Default Re: Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.onethousand View Post
    From what I'm understanding that's not what the problem is. We're getting into evolution here. Larger, taller, more muscular men are more appealing from an evolutionary standpoint. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But bigger taller men will always have an advantage if the women doesn't even get the chance to talk to you. All you have to do is ask girls. They want taller, muscular men. You can overcome that through how you qualify yourself, but it's more work and will only work with the right women, when you could (if you can) just workout instead. But do you want those women? The arguement is circular and self-conflicting.

    Why do you think women go apesh1t over wrestlers? It isn't the singlets, and many of them are shorter than the women they date. Confidence too yeah, but size of you body plays a role. It can't be denied. [Live in Iowa, corn-fed. We wrestle, and we crank out some of the best in the nation.]
    The best looking women have the higest standards. Lets face reality. I don't care what kind of game you have, without some kind of physical assets you are going to come up short in the race against bigger males. It is truth. The products can deny it all they want(in order to provide solace to the weakest beta males so they buy the product) but my personal experience is that my body frame has alot to do with why I fail on the most beautiful women most of the time. Except in extraordinary circumstances(like a venue with all 8.5's and above) I'm definitely limited in the beauty of the women I attract and it has very little to do with my outer game. I game 6's and 7's constantly.. but the sh1t tests definitely grow in frequency as I climb the beauty ladder. sh1t tests that I see bigger guys do not get.

    Sure, I can work around it, and have plenty of times. But I'd like to shed it once and for all and launch myself into the higher stratum of PU.

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    Default Re: Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    So, personally I offer the disclaimer that I have never had this problem, so you can take my advice with whatever grain of salt you like. I am 6'3" and built with very wide shoulders, so even though I am an ardent pacifist, women already qualify me as an adequate protector.

    My advice, although it's a big thing to devote to, is that you actually take up doing some type of martial art. It is often said that someone who is a trained fighter, carries himself like a fighter. I have two or three friends who are short, thin males that all get women quite often and never have issues portraying alpha male status. Maybe not coincidentally, they are my friends who did Muay Thai at the same school. The art teaches you discipline, both mental and physical, serves to build confidence, and gives you actual credentials to claim you are a good protector without ever having to invoke claims of violence.

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    Default Re: Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    I got a similar problem since I'm really skinny (but surprisingly strong) and all of my friends are ex-football players. The other night I ran into my friend's girlfriend and a bunch of her hot friends. I quickly introduced myself to the shortest, most petite one of the group and then commented "Wow you're really tiny! I'm gonna pick you up!" then I lifted her over my head a few times while she laughed. The rest of the group quickly came over to greet me and I had number in five minutes.

    Women are horrible at gauging a man's strength so find a tiny girl and make sure everyone else sees you lift her, then you don't have to bother with stories about fighting, karate, how much you can bench, etc.

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    Default Re: Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    I already know that women want the stronger look. That's why I gave you some nutrition advice; if you want more muscle then you're gonna need a lot more protein.

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    Default Re: Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    This sounds mostly like an Inner Game issue. If you keep your Frame of mind strong, and don't give into the Frame of people calling you "weak," you'll be fine and the talk will die down. I'm much shorter than 6', but I don't let that get in the way.

    You may not have girls falling all over you just by walking in a room, but you have something MUCH BETTER. You understand game and know just what to say that WILL make them attracted to you

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    Default Re: Possible ways to shed an image of "weakness"

    This isn't an inner game issue. This is evolutionary sexual selection. Thus, the push of Matt Ridley's The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature. Just like nature vs. nurture is both, inner game vs. outer game is both. If you haven't read it yet I highly recommend it. It should literally be one of the first books you read after The Game.
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