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    Default Time to move on beyond the opener

    I'm finally at the point where I feel really confident and direct open women on the street with relative ease. It took me quite some time, but I'm there. Today I approached three hot women who were about my age or slightly older (22 - 26, I'm 22). I only direct open them, so basically it's like giving a sincere compliment. They all reacted really well.

    The last one was almost at the end of my standard route, so I turned back and walked past her again. I didn't look at her at first, but then turned my head towards her and noticed her quickly turning her smiling face away from me. So I knew I made a really good entry and might be able to get to a close if I had made a conversation with her.

    So today was a good day because I never approached with such ease before and when I walked back I noticed that HB8 smiling at me. Therefore I felt like it was time to take the next step: to transition beyond opening and have five minute conversations in which I practise the attraction and rapport phases.

    Now, there's multiple things I can do. Sasha daygame transitions by asking women if they have boyfriends, but since a false 'no' is so easily placed there I'd rather not use it. I could say like 'let me guess... xx years old and you work as a xx' and take the conversation from there.

    What's your take on it, guys? When you go direct, how do you transition? I want to incorporate the cube in the rapport stage when I'll practise closing but want to practise the attraction stage and talking about rapport topics first, just to get used to talking to women I just met that are interested in me.

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    Default Re: Time to move on beyond the opener

    I think it's great you went for the direct approach during day game. A lot of the pickup is indirect and doesn't take the woman's body language into account. You noticed her smile whereas some guys would miss it trying to think of something really witty to say then psych themselves out. Usually smooth transitions usally have to do with what was just said. Even if it has something to do with teasing the way she said something. However if you are having trouble with a smooth transitions then a rough one isn't the worst thing you could do. They obviously know you are interested and if they show any resistance during you're rough transition then you can tease and disqualify. Negs are misunderstood since they are so similar to teasing so I only recommend negging 9's and 10's and only if she has an attitude. Also many forget that after a neg you MUST follow up with something unrelated otherwise you are seeking a reaction, which you do not want when it comes to negs. Hope this helps. Good luck.

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    Default Re: Time to move on beyond the opener

    Well put batman ha, going direct during the day is going with confidence, adding on that. I rarely come right out with a neg, but its kinda case by case there I guess. With day game I usually lean on situational openers, and opinions sometimes.
    Also, I try to avoid asking her about a bf, but I guess u have to have pretty solid game to ask that without setting yourself up for a trap of course.
    Instead, sometimes if u wait, girls will ask you if u have a gf. Sometimes its a good sign she's interested (IOI), but if ur game is lagging it mite actually be her way of finding out if ur hitting on her- then she mite give u the nice guy block if ur not careful there.
    And of course with day game u gotta be quick most the time, so closing something simple is ok, like 'well nice meetin ya, oh I'm going to such and such tomorrow nite if u don't have plans' I like to send out an open invite to see if the HB will get to the number swap.. and if not.. 'oh well nice talkin to ya, we should continue chattin later here let's trade numbers' or 'wats your number?' Always assuming that. If she still wants to flake or give u a bad number there, well that's her problem

    Cheers fellas

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    Default Re: Time to move on beyond the opener

    I also have a preference for situational openers. And negs (not to be confused with basic teasing) are a very delicate thing and in most cases don't need to be used. And yes you shouldn't ask about the bf. You are a fun guy meeting people that you are not sure if you are interested in going further with. Plus if she does have a bf you should instantly friend her. And I mean genuinely friend her. Even meet her bf and all of you hang out. Who knows she may even have a friend for you who's better looking. You will be very surprised when you are actually selective on who you try to sleep with and make friends with the other ones. A whole world of possibility opens up to you.

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    Default Re: Time to move on beyond the opener

    Ya batman that's another good point, if she does have a bf, whether or not u may know it at the time of meeting; if she sees your cool, she mite even have a friend in mind for ya, or she could be a good pivot anyways

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    Default Re: Time to move on beyond the opener

    Also what's good about it is that you can behave that she is always trying to pick you up and tell her that you don't mess with girls with bfs. And after all the women she helps you meet, they eventually break up, who do you think will be the first guy she goes to. You guessed it. So you got to meet all these women with warm approaches because of a female friend and if they broke up you still get to have her. If you so choose to that is.


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