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    jordan_5000 is offline PUA in Training
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    Default How important is a good body?

    I'm looking to improve my overall health, I'm starting a free 7 week program that incorporates push-ups, pull-ups, squats and planking in order to just get into better shape and a bit more toned. I'm a small guy, 6 ft 155 lbs or so. Do girls care a lot about a guy's body? Is it easier to pick up girls if you have a good body/are decently toned compared to the average guy?

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    Default Re: How important is a good body?

    ive fluxuated in weight enough to say this, when your sexy.. you dont need as much direct game. plain and simple.

    i think i might have gotten some of my hottest chicks as a chubby guy .. i remember putting in a good amount of work for that booty tho..

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    Default Re: How important is a good body?

    Like jumpship said, it's icing on the cake, gives you a bit of a leg up, but not the most important thing.

    I'll tell you what, dude. I'm too thin. I'm in pretty good shape, and I work out a bit, but I'm not jacked or ripped by any means. Always been this way. Never had problems getting girls since after high-school (I was shy in high school).

    Working out is important, but not a prerequisite to getting girls. If it's for your health, and peace of mind, then yeah, do it. But put it in perspective. Hell, I'm 5' 8" 140 lbs (and not super-cut), and girls dig me. Truth is, as long as you don't look UNattractive, specifics such as being in great shape, dressing to the nines, etc., those are all just bonuses. They're not nearly as important as confidence and good game. Think of them as refinements to increase success; not as the core to success itself.

    Do it for you; not for them. The confidence that you gain as a result of being happy with the way you look will be far more effective than the six-pack you're sporting.

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    Default Re: How important is a good body?

    It's a tricky question and depends on the girl. Ok they usually definately don't like overweight, don't like massive body builder types and don't like weedy boney types. Slim athletic is where you want to be at. Many girls like a bit of a cushion. It's rare a girl wants to have perfectly chiselled abs as a strong criteria and very few guys actually have that anyway unless they are really young and naturally have no fat. To maintain such a body in the first place means spending rediculous hours in the gym and not on more interesting worldy activities that women find more interesting. Gym guys often are quite vain and boring and emphasize their physique ahead of other attributes. Look at pumping Iron, It was always Arnolds personality, confidence and charm that won him Mr Universe so many times and not always his body.

    What I have found more important is how you match in height to each other (sexual dimorphism) and what kind of face type and 'style' you have. Some girls go for the chiseled jaw macho types, some the boyish jude law types some the older charming pearce brosnan look. Some girls like the slightly pale arty types, others like beach girls may only look for surfer dudes with a tan. It's all context to what their social setting is and perhaps what hero's and movie stars they admire. It's a good question to ask a girl 'which male movie stars do you find attractive?'. What a man thinks a women may be attracted to may be completely wrong. Looks are important but its more about the 'type' of guy you are and your personality. Of course a female gym head may also be disproportionately obsessed with her body and may only date guys with great bodies, but thats only a small percentage of women. If a girl is at a formula 1 race track and wants to pick up a race driver will she pick the best looking, the one with the best body or the one who wins? If she can she will pick the one who wins. Those are the desirable alleles.

    Many of the girls I know for instance dont find people like Brad Pitt attractive but do find Johhny Depp and James Franco attractive. They are not overweight, not pin up models and not gym heads, it is because they are 'cool', interesting and have a particular 'look'. You can't be every girls look, irrelevent of your body so you have to target girls who like your type.

    Its one of the few areas in dating us guys have a true advantage! Physical looks are not the most important thing, it helps but not the most desirable criteria for women. On the other hand for women, being good looking is important.

    The biggest baseline for dating though is the most simplest - people go after people that are fairly similar to themselves.

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    Default Re: How important is a good body?

    Quote Originally Posted by whitedragon View Post
    The biggest baseline for dating though is the most simplest - people go after people that are fairly similar to themselves.
    I usually get the fat/ugly/needy after me, while I have a "muscled, little bit of cushion" body as you called it. Maybe it's because I'm not as alpha with high-level HBs yet. Dunno.

    Anyway, to the OP. I find that having a muscled body definitely attracts women. You get a bonus when some of those women know each other and talk to each other, so they find out other women find your body attractive too. This will lead to some competition among the women. Also, women show compliance much faster if you're good looking and muscled. I think a good body gets you better results.

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    Default Re: How important is a good body?

    I think a lot has to do w/ confidence. I had a overweight roommate back in college that lost 15lbs and he acted/felt like he was Brad Pitt. He was still overweight but he carried himself differently.

    On another note, I lost over 35lbs of fat last year throughout the year(working out/eating better) and I seem to get a lot more attention these days...

    I'm not sure it's the weight but I appear to look a lot younger when i'm leaner...because my face is thinner....other than that i hid the weight pretty well....girls have made comments lately that i take care of myself....it's probably more about that than actual lean mass/body fat percentage....

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    Default Re: How important is a good body?

    Quote Originally Posted by roland777 View Post
    I think a lot has to do w/ confidence. I had a overweight roommate back in college that lost 15lbs and he acted/felt like he was Brad Pitt. He was still overweight but he carried himself differently.
    This is true, I had a mate who was already good looking but always complained he had a big nose. It wasn't actually that big at all but he went and did plastic surgery anyway. His confidence went through the roof and he tripled his success with women.

    Ive noticed through the years that girls like to tickle a mans belly when they flirt. It could be a little affection or it could be to feel you up a bit if you have a firm belly.

    I think also if your working out you tend to have much better proportion and posture. I know if Im going to gym I stand prouder, sit in better positions, appear better looking in clothes and the workouts seem to make my face more healthy looking.

    I suppose its the same with women. Some mates and I often use a saying on girls 'give her 3 months in a gym and she'd be sweet' for ones who generally have a good body but maybe are not that fit or toned.

    Don't have to be Lou Ferrigno but being 'strong' helps. Wide shoulders, V taper, narrower waist, good butt. Like for girls, men are highly attracted to the small waist/wide hip ratio.

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    Default Re: How important is a good body?

    Great points Whitedragon!

    I've also noticed girls love to grab your arms. Doesn't matter if it's someone you're trying to pickup or just someone you know casually. When they grab your arm to talk to you something goes off in their head....

    not sure it's really a game changer though....it helps me w/ confidence though!


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