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Thread: Tips on The Connoisseur? (NDR)

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    Default Tips on The Connoisseur? (NDR)

    Hello everybody.

    I read up on Vin Di Carlo's "Pandoras Box" and i realized that the chic i'm interested in and want to get into a relationship with is a "Connoisseur" (NDR).

    Members and experts, can you all give me your experiences about this type of woman? Tips on dating, kino, etc

    (For those who don't know what i am talking about, check up on Vin Di Carlo's Pandora's Box. You can google search "the connoisseur pandora's box" and on the 3rd link, which is the website slideshare, read up on some stuff there but you have to purchase the full program from his official website.)

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    Default Re: Tips on The Connoisseur? (NDR)

    I know this is a bit late, but I am currently dating, and seem to do nothing but date Connoisseurs. They are a hard cookie to crack IMOP. Physical touch is not necessary, as often they will notice it and even comment on it(just like my current one did) but try to work in some appropriate kino.

    Make sure that you tell them that their time they spend with you is very valuable and don't start letting your little head think for you. Be confident, Alpha, but not overboard. They want a relationship but are very picky. I got most of this info from Pandora's Box and seems to working okay so far.

    If you do hook up, make sure you let her know in a very meaningfully, emotional connection way, try not to be a creeper or corny. I run into the corny part a bit. Be very direct and make sure when you compliment her, be confident and MEAN it!

    Be reserved and laid back, but confident. These types of girls have the world to offer you, and be prepared to accept it.

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    Default Re: Tips on The Connoisseur? (NDR)

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen705 View Post
    I know this is a bit late, but I am currently dating, and seem to do nothing but date Connoisseurs. They are a hard cookie to crack IMOP. Physical touch is not necessary, as often they will notice it and even comment on it(just like my current one did) but try to work in some appropriate kino.

    Make sure that you tell them that their time they spend with you is very valuable and don't start letting your little head think for you. Be confident, Alpha, but not overboard. They want a relationship but are very picky. I got most of this info from Pandora's Box and seems to working okay so far.

    If you do hook up, make sure you let her know in a very meaningfully, emotional connection way, try not to be a creeper or corny. I run into the corny part a bit. Be very direct and make sure when you compliment her, be confident and MEAN it!

    Be reserved and laid back, but confident. These types of girls have the world to offer you, and be prepared to accept it.
    Hello Allen705

    It's never too late! Thank you for your input. You are very correct about the kino, light kino she would be ok with but if i go beyond that she may get weirded out a bit so i stay to more shoulder tapping, small on her back once in a while if going out etc. She did mention to me in a by the way conversation that she was uncomfortable responding to touch in her teens to early 20s but got over most of it.

    Have you been in a relationship with an NDR Allen705? If so, did you initiate it like ask her to go to the next level? or did she initiate it? or it just happened?

    One more thing, how did you deal with the mixed signals coming from an NDR? as in, one minute she's into you and next minute she's signed off?

    Thanks! other members can still have an input

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    Default Re: Tips on The Connoisseur? (NDR)

    Yes, this type is super picky. Pandora doesn't tell you that these types will be very picky about their mate that they will dwell on one negative detail(even a minor one) and blow it up intO something huge.

    If you sleep with them too quick, despite doing everything else right...she will use that one thing tO break off contact. On the other hand I you keep the relationship casual she could very well just find something else. Once you get one as a long term, they make awesome girlfriends who will. Uh you stuff and actually take care of you because this type likes control(something else pandora doesn't talk about).

    I'm taking a break from NDRs, and now dating a NJR.

    For the topic at hand, if you want quick sex, just use gradual kino escalation to the point where She is comfotable being alone with you. Try this...and it may take three dates...go to three places to build comfort. Spend the first part at dinner, then go somewhere else for desert, and then to a park. The next two dates should include three events too...use your imagination...the last event may include a hangout I.e. movie/video game/book/ whatever came up in conversation to lure her back.

    Extend this out for a better chance of a LTR, but not too long. Get her to have sex with you, so she can invest. Cuddle with her and be prepared to spend the night....otherwise you will lose her. She likes future talk so leave any urge you may have sound open ended.

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    Default Re: Tips on The Connoisseur? (NDR)

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen705 View Post
    Yes, this type is super picky. Pandora doesn't tell you that these types will be very picky about their mate that they will dwell on one negative detail(even a minor one) and blow it up intO something huge.

    If you sleep with them too quick, despite doing everything else right...she will use that one thing tO break off contact. On the other hand I you keep the relationship casual she could very well just find something else. Once you get one as a long term, they make awesome girlfriends who will. Uh you stuff and actually take care of you because this type likes control(something else pandora doesn't talk about).

    I'm taking a break from NDRs, and now dating a NJR.

    For the topic at hand, if you want quick sex, just use gradual kino escalation to the point where She is comfotable being alone with you. Try this...and it may take three dates...go to three places to build comfort. Spend the first part at dinner, then go somewhere else for desert, and then to a park. The next two dates should include three events too...use your imagination...the last event may include a hangout I.e. movie/video game/book/ whatever came up in conversation to lure her back.

    Extend this out for a better chance of a LTR, but not too long. Get her to have sex with you, so she can invest. Cuddle with her and be prepared to spend the night....otherwise you will lose her. She likes future talk so leave any urge you may have sound open ended.
    Thank you Allen705! I'll keep your hints in mind. If anybody else would like to chime in, feel free! Still wanna learn more about this type

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    Default Re: Tips on The Connoisseur? (NDR)

    i know that this post is a bit late, but just in case anyone else is researching the NDR, I wanted to mention some things Ive noticed.

    I am also very lucky because my NDR tells me exactly what i do that really works(worked) on her and what i do that she cant stand.

    Ive been dating an NDR for a few months now at a level that is slightly more than casual. Let me tell you that, for me, NDR is the BEST type of girl to invest my time in. Not high maintenance, exciting, motivated, and hooorrrnnnyyy! My NDR also has a significant age difference on me fyi so that always plays a factor as well whenever finances or talk of future plans come up.

    I will list a few bullet points about connoisseurs:
    *They like to spend money on you.
    *They like to be in control (example, paying for dates, buying you things you need or want)
    * My NDR is very self motivated
    * Verrrryyy motivated to please her man not just sexually, but all around.

    How I attracted and maintained my NDR:
    *CONFIDENCE! Confidence will apply to any woman, but definitely be confident with the NDR immediately from day one. This will also apply when she starts paying for you and buying u things. If you went confident from the beginning, i suggest you change your demeanor around her. "The one who shows less need for the relationship has the most control" and we know that NDR likes to be in a relationship and take care of someone.

    *Dont make it seem like you ONLY want sex, but be fairly straight forward with her. Our first hang out was in a group situation where I only knew the group loosely through a mutual friend and had never talked to her before. My self and my NDR's group went to the bar. i showed her that I was adventurous and outgoing. Also, I showed her that she wasnt the only girl I could talk to and flirt with, but that i always came back to her because she was the one i was focused on that night. It helped that a girl bluntly tried to have sex with me that night and my NDR heard me reject the girl. That night I tried, unsuccessfully, to get my NDR to hook up.

    *3 dates before the hook up.
    I guess i used touch escalation (i dont know all the abbreviations). I have always greeted and said goodbye to her with a hug to show my idea that "touch is normal for me, it should be normal for you too" -confidence. on about the 3rd or 4th "date" we watched a movie at her house, i looked over into her eyes, then leaned in for the kiss and then...u guys know the rest of the story.

    *STAY THE NIGHT AFTER A HOOK UP
    She will feel used and get really uncomfortable and disinterested if you leave after sleeping with her.

    *Let her feel like she is growing from your time together. She will want to be progressing or having fun or learning. My NDR is veryyy upscale and I toy with her by teaching her things like, how to shake her ass when she dances, how to dance in general, listening to rap music, explaining the other side of democrat vs republican (i explain the opposite of her preference. most deniers are only deniers because of their upbringing and therefore only Republican or Dem for the same reason)... anything that she isnt used to doing, i educate her in CONFIDENTLY.

    *Call her out when she is doing typical NDR things, but be playful! "Wow you and your sister are always being so competitive with eachother! its cute! Buuuut you are so much better than her at _____(fill in blank) haha"

    *Remember that she will want to be in control. So I assign her certain topics that i "allow" her to control. "I want to go to dinner on Saturday. Where do you want me to take you?" Saturday and dinner where my demands. I let her pick the place.

    *Know that she is GOING to spend money on you. Personally, Im a little uncomfortable with this, but im getting used to it. I often have to tell her "No dont buy that for me. No dont spend so much money on me for something like that." But strangely enough, this is something that she ENJOYS doing!

    * I let her control and change my style. Hair and clothes. I say "its ok. I know that im gonna look good no matter what. and since your so fashionable, i know ur just gonna make me look sexier! Be careful though, if u make me look TOO good then other women will be all over me and i dont really have the time to be rejecting women all the time "-confindence and playing with her competitive tendencies. haha

    Most importantly..
    * F**K HER WELL! show her different positions. tell her how to move. she will be eager to learn!

    NDR is honestly the best personality type ive dated. Shes energetic, extremely loyal, sexually pretty damn good. strongly recommend.

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    Default Re: Tips on The Connoisseur? (NDR)

    Sorry to bump an old thread but I figured it was neater than starting a new one. I need some advice on an NDR Connoisseur that I want to get close too (at least that's the closest PB type that can be applied to her).

    She works part-time where I work (she's almost 20 and I'm almost 25), up until recently we never really talked much to each other. The bosses tried to hook us up by telling each of us that the other had a crush on us. The funny thing is they think they were lying to both of us when in fact what they were telling her was true at least. So over the course of a few weeks I slowly developed conversion with her over things I knew we shared in common to break some ice until it seemed appropriate to take it further.

    So I asked her out and she exchanged numbers with me LIKE A SHOT. However, when I later texted her about going out she asked if I wanted to go as friends, so I responded by being clear that I wasn't asking her out as a friend but if it made her more comfortable then friends is okay.

    So we go out in the evening to her choice of bar where she drove over twenty miles in a really unreliable car to see me, and we hit it off for three hours in constant conversation. It turned out that our bosses were dead on the money that we're perfect on paper; The same interests, beliefs, ideals and general outlook on life. We came clear about what out employers were trying to do, and she said that she wasn't looking for a relationship but she really wanted to keep meeting with me as a friend.

    Now, I know that sounds like I'm probably dead in the water, but after meeting with her and chatting for a few hours a second time, a mutual friend who's really close to her told me that she really likes me (at least as a friend) and that I make her really laugh. She thinks that if I'm persistent I can probably develop more from it, but she's never had a serious relationship so she'll be hard work to get close to if I'm prepared to work for it.

    It's obvious that she has intimacy and trust issues having never been in a relationship, but I'm okay with that because, like her, I've never had a serious relationship and I have the same issues, but I want to progress out of them, and she must have to do the same eventually right?

    I don't mind putting the time and energy into her as I think she's definitely worth it, and I think that we really are perfect on paper. I'm uncertain though as to whether she's just being cautious with a guy who's a little older who she works with, intending to see how it goes with me before getting closer (which is something she clearly has a difficult time doing in general).
    On the other hand, despite how much of my more charismatic and confident self I've shown her recently, she may still associate me a little with the quiet guy who rarely said a word to her over a span of a few years. I'm also concerned that there is a little doubt in her mind that my approach was really my own or whether I was influenced by what I'd been told by our employers (which isn't the case, they just gave me the push I needed).

    I should really be trusting our mutual friend on what she thinks is possible form this, but I'd really like some advice on what my chances are here; Whether I really have a shot at this and I just need to be patient to earn her trust, or whether I'm more likely just punching a brick wall and could risk what could be a great friendship instead.

    I'd also really appreciate advise on what I can do at this point with this particular NDR to help my chances, as she's a bit of an unusual case (as am I hah).

    Thanks in advance.

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    Default Re: Tips on The Connoisseur? (NDR)

    Hi guys! I'm new on this forum but I do have some experience with dating and pick up.

    I'm dating the connoisseur at the moment as well and she is soo lovely! Best type I ever met

    But there is an problem and I hope you guys can help me, when I met her she had this 2 year relationship wich wasn't going very well, when I did met her 6 months ago she got very invested in me and I did all the right things, in 2 months she had sex with me and was planning to dumb the other guy for me, so she did,about 5 weeks ago they broke up and we were getting very serious in an relation, but when she and her ex would've had been 2 years together 3 weeks ago (today) we had sex and her ex came inside of the room to pick up some old stuff, he got mad and we had a fight as he demolished another 3 cabinets.. after that moment everything went on backwards, she couldn't hug me if she did look to me, sex started to hurt for her, and eventually 2 days ago she came to the conclusion we can't continue this way and so we broke up from our unofficial relationship.

    It's very hard to deal with it at the moment as my opinion is that she doesn't want me to chase her as it could take to long, she felt so bad about hurting her ex that much that she first wants to clear things out with him before she can continue with me, but he doesn't want to have any contract with her anymore.

    At the moment she is denying we did break up but wants us to be friends, typically something for the connoisseur lol


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