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    Default What the hell am I missing? buddies getting laid me getting "I have a bf"

    Hey guys, it's Ecko again trying hard to improve his game.

    Guys, I have to admit my confidence is at an all time low. I just came back from Grand Bend, Ontario, a party place for Canada day long weekend with my old pals.

    My buddies, who are very good looking bronzed guys and myself made it another opportunity to get laid as much as we could. The women we found, almost ALL we're thinking the same. It still surprises me that young women want to fark as bad as us guys, but they can still turn you down and feel like they haven't missed out.

    This weekend was a disaster for me. Not only did I not get laid, got turned down by the only three women who were feeling me at first, but also increased the awkwardness that has started to exist between me and my buddies since I returned back to the game. My buddies have always been fiercely direct with women and extremely confident, I truly believe it's not so much game as their looks. They can say the stupidest things to girls and get laid. My one buddy slaps girls in the face sometimes and they end up farking him. My buddies are always my buddies, but I looked like such a chump and they amoged me a few times in front of girls on the beach, I took offense and realized I can't compete with them after all these years...

    My question is: I opened a few sets of girls with one of my buddies and both girls followed us down to the beach at night. We laughed, talked etc. She was seemingly into me until we walked a bit on the beach. Once we got to the beach, my one buddy grabbed the hand of his girl and began walking down the beach, I tried the same and she suddenly stopped and said "I have a boyfriend" All four of us sat down and my buddy began massaging his girl and I tried a bf destroyer and told her she needs to take more chances etc etc. Didnt work. She said she doesn't want to hurt her bf and that we can be "friends". We left after my buddy fooled around with his girl on the beach. Later at the club, the girl that said she had a "bf" agreed to meet my other buddy and his twin on the beach. That destroyed my confidence and made me so angry.

    Second occasion, I opened up two very drunk Italian girls on the street. One of my buddies joined in as their was two. We walked them down to the beach. Mine just wanted to sit on a bench with me. Why? because she had a "bf" My buddy farked his right on the beach. i dont understand...Im good looking, muscular and cocky with women. Maybe too cocky. I think it's an inner game issue...I think they see right thru me, that maybe they think Im putting on an act.

    What can I do guys? Im kinda low right now.
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    Default Re: What the hell am I missing? buddies getting laid me getting "I have a b

    First off I want to say you are doing fine my friend. This can take time so mistakes are unavoidable. You're story has a lot of clear cut issues so I will give my opinion.

    1. I'm sure you know there is a difference between cocky and confidence, but perhaps not the details of what make up that difference. I like to think that the difference is the ability to be humble. Just by adding to what you say "I like to think that..." will soften any phrase. (If you noticed I just used it myself within this paragraph.) A good example would be "I like to think that I have big schlong." Now take out that one part of the sentence and it suddenly becomes alot harsher.

    Also be careful about what you verbalize. If you know she's interested, but then verbalize it, you run the risk as appearing cocky (which some see as a sign of insecurity) and socially unintelligent. Just act as if it is a dirty little secret between you and her and she will love you for it.

    2. Stay away from your friends. If they are constantly AMOGing you then you are not the LEADER of your own group so you won't get the choice of a female in a group (hence you get alot of females with bfs). They really should learn that building up their friends is a better choice where everyone wins. That will be your responsiblity to show them.

    Now they ARE your friends so you shouldn't stay away completely. But in order to handle your own with them you need to master "frame control" and re-train your friends to treat you differently. This will take time so be patient. Also try not to let their good looks and charm phase you. We all know that good looks can give you a leg up, but not guarantee anything with a woman. Most of it is in your game.

    3. As a last opinion I'm not so sure you may have used the bf destroyer correctly if you told her she needs to take more chances. But it's also very possible that she is just flat-out in love with her bf and there is nothing you can do about that. Hope this helps.

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    Default Re: What the hell am I missing? buddies getting laid me getting "I have a b

    Thanks Batman.

    I'm just really low right now. I decided after this weekend, I'll only go with one of my buddies to pick up girls now. We're all honey badgers and we tend to compete....but what you said is so true, Im going to freeze-out my friends and let them know I don't want to be amoged anymore and that as a group we need to build each other up.

    I just dont know why these girls didnt want to fark me. They seemed to both lose attraction when we got to the beach...am I suppose to get to know them and build more rapport? I just have my arm around them and try to make them laugh as we head down to the beach.
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    Default Re: What the hell am I missing? buddies getting laid me getting "I have a b

    It helps to have a strong intent, but not be attached to it in case you don't get it. So if you want a one night stand they say that you should elicit traits from her like spontaneity, adventurous, likes trying new things etc. Regardless if you should still strive for making her feel that she is special to you. Even if it sounds AFC it's not. It's HOW you make her feel special to you that says it's AFC or not. If she is willing to fuck before that then you don't have to worry about it. Ask yourself if you are challenging enough. Are you qualifying her so she knows you are interested in her as a person and not just a quick fuck.

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    Default Re: What the hell am I missing? buddies getting laid me getting "I have a b

    Thanks again.

    Yes I think Im going to use Mystery's qualifying routine, telling her beauty is common but what makes her stand out etc. Thanks bro.
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    Default Re: What the hell am I missing? buddies getting laid me getting "I have a b

    My goal actually is not one night stands. I want to have many girls as friends. I want to date different girls non-exclusively. I just want to hang out with many different girls and of course have sex with them. So far since putting effort in, I have had one girl, who I lied to and got into a relationship only for the purpose of sex...I regret that. Other then that just picking up numbers but no meetings yet.
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    Default Re: What the hell am I missing? buddies getting laid me getting "I have a b

    If that is your goal then you definitely want to make them feel special.....each one of them. And try to qualify during a time when she is laughing. Her guard will be down and she will be more receptive to your very strong qualification question.

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    Default Re: What the hell am I missing? buddies getting laid me getting "I have a b

    Thanks batman.

    yes Im going to try and be nice to every girl I see as a prospect for now on. Not AFC nice of course, but just make them feel special and say sweet things to them.

    I will use the qualifying routine on them I think this is a good move.

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