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    Default mystery's method outdated

    hey all, so i read "The Game", and searched on google for the mystery's method, but people are now saying its outdated? can somebody explain to me why? doesnt it work anymore?
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    Default Re: mystery's method outdated

    The overall principle still works such as building attraction, then comfort, then seduce. They can easily be blurred together so so it's a nice guide. And some of the more detailed techniqus still work. The reason why people may think it's outdated is that you have to become good with calibration which only comes with time. And Mystery doesn't give too detailed of techniques to calibrate appropriately. Also the push/pull concept isn't very detailed. I recommend Swinggcat for push/pull. He is truly a master at it. It helps to be flexible with whatever gurus you learn from. Don't stick to just one because not everyone has all the answers.

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    Default Re: mystery's method outdated

    I have also heard a lot of things said about Mystet Method being out of date. I'm unsure of how much truth this holds, in honesty. Most of my current game works along the same lines (then again, I think many PUA styles have the same founding elements) with a few tweaks. I still think its a good starting point for rookies like myself. I think it's hard to truly explain calibration as I think it's something everyone has to learn themselves through practise, you won't truly get it until you do it. Plus in the US I think it's harder to utilise without really changing the routines and openers used as examples because of thr book and VH1s The PickUp Artist because that all went mainstream as I understand. It's ok here in the UK to use some of the stuff, which I use but tweak to suit me, because the show never aired here and the book is very little known.

    I'd say start there until you internalise game when that happens, you'll know what to do.

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    Default Re: mystery's method outdated

    Ok, a PUA technique can't possibly be outdated. If it worked as a general guideline, it still works now and this is why:

    Wemon don't change. Keep in mind that over the years in the pickup community people create different theories and behavious about wemon. Some work, some don't. The ones that do work can't be outdated because they are based on evolutionary principles and psychology, which doesn't change over decades at all. Theories change, wemon don't.

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    Default Re: mystery's method outdated

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwkiller69 View Post
    Ok, a PUA technique can't possibly be outdated. If it worked as a general guideline, it still works now and this is why:

    Wemon don't change. Keep in mind that over the years in the pickup community people create different theories and behavious about wemon. Some work, some don't. The ones that do work can't be outdated because they are based on evolutionary principles and psychology, which doesn't change over decades at all. Theories change, wemon don't.
    Yes, they can. Example: the neg. It was originally created to lower a woman's self esteem and bring her down to your level. Nowadays, most PUA techniques are based on the assumption that you are an alpha male and thus hold the highest value. You now bring the values of those who associate with you up. This is a more powerful technique and thus the old one is outdated.

    After The Game was released, the community went booming and a lot of new, better techniques were developed. Also, 'The Game' has become a very populair and well read book, causing women to know the stuff in there. These things have made it outdated. The basis of it is still a good way to start for those who wish to go indirect, though, no doubt about that.

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    Default Re: mystery's method outdated

    The general principles still work just as well, they're simply not as popular. The fact that wemon read The Game might hurt you a bit, but if you neg correctly, tell DHV stories and do everything right, to an outside observer you will seem like an alpha male that draws his emotional state from within and allows others to feed off of it. In other words, these "theories" that the community has are just different ways to think about the same behavior. If you take a natural with good game, I'm sure you can explain his behavious with any good theory and they'll all be right. That's because they all teach you the same attitude, but in different ways.

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    Default Re: mystery's method outdated

    Think about it:
    If you see a guy for the first time at a club and he's telling DHV stories and girls are standing around listening, you can say many things:

    1. He's telling DHV stories.
    2. He is drawing his state from within.
    3. His wingman looks better just because he's standing by him with a beer and adding to the stories.

    See, it is the same picture, but you can use almost any theory to describe what is happening. The guy and his wingman might be just two buddies that are naturals that know nothing about the community and they're just having their typical Friday night.

    The point is that different theories simply show the same picture from a wide array of angles.

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    Default Re: mystery's method outdated

    Yeah this what I mean, the fundamental factors are the same. I admire mystery and his method because he built it from the ground up, he didn't have stuff to read up on or forums like this that we have. Driven by frustration, he set out to solve these mysteries single handedly. Plus a lot of the theory behind his stuff is very interesting and, I find, very relevant. Like Virgil said, because of the books popularity it made it more difficult, but he has since restructured the method.

    : GeMiNi :&

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    Default Re: mystery's method outdated

    I think Mystery's Method isn't just a PUA thing, many of his core concepts are real psychology. I bet if he put it in a different(more formal way) and wrote it in a professional medical journal it would be real scientific theory. I see Mystery as the Newton of female psychology

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    Default Re: mystery's method outdated

    Its not technically outdated. If you ask the right questions it can be a big help when you assimilate into your being depending on your beliefs. It is outdated in a marketing sense and that others have asked further questions to dig deeper in their knowledge of certain aspects that they value. Some will help if you find the right info and dig pass the marketing B.S


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