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    Default Help with pivot at concert.

    Hey guys,
    I could really use some of your help.
    I'm going to this concert and this girl who I met at a party will be there. She seemed to like me a lot, and I snagged her number although she hooked up with another guy. She just recently broke up with her boyfriend so I think getting with her is very doable. Anyways I'm going to a concert and she will be there. My friend let's call her Carly has agreed to come with me and be my Pivot (aka wingman). What is Carly supposed to say when she is around us? Is Carly just supposed to brag to her how awesome I am? Like what can she say specifically to DHV myself. I should also say that Carly is not as attractive as my target so I don't know if that is important or not. The concert is tomorrow, so I could really use the help. Hit me back when you guys get a chance.
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    Default Re: Help with pivot at concert.

    Honestly Carly doesn't have to do much of anything. Just the fact that she's there is going to up your proof.

    Don't have her brag about you. It'll probably look like you asked her to. Are you good friends with Carly? Just do friend stuff (but still acknowledging the fact that she is a girl.) Before my best friend Shantel got a boyfriend everyone assumed we were dating because of how comfortable we are with each other, but I still don't treat her like a bro. I'm just saying we have no touch barrier. Shantel and I always have fun together and that's what girls like to see. If Carly is having fun (and you're obviously having fun too) then it shows that you are a fun guy and worth spending time with.

    So Carly should smile a lot, laugh, and just have a good time. Unless this other girl is a sourpuss, state transference will wear off on her. Girls just want to have fun

    Oh, and feel free to show this to her. If she hears it and sees it, two senses will help it stick in her head.
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    Default Re: Help with pivot at concert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Link777 View Post
    Carly has agreed to come with me and be my Pivot (aka wingman). What is Carly supposed to say when she is around us? Is Carly just supposed to brag to her how awesome I am? Like what can she say specifically to DHV myself. I should also say that Carly is not as attractive as my target so I don't know if that is important or not.
    Cody is so right. All she has to do is hang around & be positive. If she says anything about you, it should not be an overt DHV. Last week, I attended a singles mixer (terrible scene) with my AFC female friend. She tried to wing me by whispering to the only HB9 in the room: "You're talking to the best guy in here." That's WAY to overt & will make her hamster spin the wrong way: "If he's so great, why is his female friend going after him?"

    I've been doing a lot of research with wingwomen & pivots. I now believe they are not synonymous terms but some women posses both qualities.

    --The Pivot is supposed to shift the room's attention to you. She needs to be very attractive & happy around you. This creates strong preselection without training a wingwoman. She is usually unaware of tactics & there is almost no risk involved. This is what most girls are offering when the say, "You're so cute, I'll be your wingwoman."
    --The real Wingwoman has at least some knowledge of your tactics & targets. She can open a set & let you join. If you are freezing, she can remind you of a story to tell or start her own. There are traveling professionals who get paid to wing with shy men.

    Honestly, I'd prefer to have tons of Pivots rather than train a wingwoman. A lot of girls won't be into game tactics & may tell you, "Don't try so hard. Just let it happen," because this is their narrow perspective. Men approach. We must act. They can sit back & believe in fate.

    Lately, I have decided to use disqualified HBs as unknowing Pivots. I will only invite them to group gatherings & flirt a little. As soon as a new Target asks about the Pivot, I have her honest DQ ready. "Yeah, Pivot is really cool but she smokes/can't cook/likes twilight/is a cat-lady." I want to make the Target laugh & show I have standards. Some girls will immediately qualify themselves. "I cook!"


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