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Thread: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

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    Default Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    Hello All,

    I would really appreciate any input you guys can give me. And help me make sense of what I am feeling.

    First off, I wanna let ya all know that I really do not have much sexual experience. I am in fact a virgin. I'm 28 years old. Long story.

    Secondly, I am not all that bad looking.

    Thirdly, I was in the room with a chinese woman from HongKong.

    I was been hitting on her for the past 1-2 months. She lives in HongKong. I've been text messaging with her to the point where she got really interested in me as a person. Like she wanted to be with me and marry me. I met her in person for the first time.

    Before I made my text moves, I wanted to make sure that she looked good enough for me to pursue. Well on facebook, she looked pretty okay to me. I thought she was cute. Like HB6.

    I was ofcourse quite disappointed that she was more like HB4.5-5 in person. She has great white skin and legs though. But I was not all that sexually attracted to her. I was very moderately sexually attracted to her.

    She came to Thailand with a tour group to visit the country. And I went to meet her.

    She is here for 4-5 days.

    Anyways, On the onset she was quite attracted to me.

    Day 2, I ended up in the room alone ith her. She had separated from her tour group because we wanted to spend time with each other. She shared a room with a 50 years old woman. That old woman was away for the day for a trip with the rest of the group. By 3pm in the afternoon time, we were in the hotel room by ourselves. The thing is I dont know how to get to the point where we can have sex. I did not even kiss her. I used the "Its okay" technique

    me -- its okay
    she -- its okay what?
    me -- you can kiss me. I want to kiss you too.
    she -- (laughs) nononono (acts shy)

    This tencnique I learnt from TOB

    I dont know. I felt, with our time in the room, I could sense that maybe she wanted something. I am not sure. She being Chinese, she could be reserved. Or she wanted something. I just didnt have any clue to to sexually charge anything. I just sat there, thinking in my head "should I go to her and not say anything, and simply touch her and kiss her?"

    We kino like holding hands while we were walking. And we have immense rapport built with each other. She was playing with my earlobe. She says she likes to play with earlobes.

    Anyways, needless to say, after chatting here and there, we left the rooom in 1 hour without anything much happening anyways. WHAT THE fark SHOULD I HAVE DONE? AND DO I EVEN KNOW SHE WANTED SEX OR NOT?

    After that, we went for dinner and she was awfully quiet. She said she did not want to drink. I ordered my own drink and when she saw i was she said she will have one too. so we had this romantic dinner, I made her laugh and sh1t and she was asking me questions. But she felt sleepy and like i said, she was awfully quiet. She does not drinks much, so she felt like she got tipsy and drunk with just one cocktail.

    Anyways, I sent her to her hotel room and left for my home.

    Now to make this more complicated.

    I know in my heart, I am not sexually attracted to her enough to make her my gf or even marry her. Shes 25 and she says her dreams is to have kids and have a family. Shes gonna be in Thailand for another 2 more days. Even if I do have a chance to fclose her, I dont want to make her feel that I love her and sh1t. I like her alot, but fark, I am not all that sexually attracted to her. After she leaves Thailand, I dont plan to pursue her as much anymore and I definitely dont want to make her feel bad or anything. If I fclose her, will she think I love her? Will she feel used if I dont pursue her as much anymore? I dont know. I didnt fclose her in the room, i am not sexually attracted to her much. These thoughts were running to my head even when I was alone with her in the room in the afternoon time where I FAILED TO FCLOSE. I am now feeling these range of emotions, like sh1t. Like I do miss her, I miss her personality, I miss being with her, but at the same time knowing, I am not all that sexually attracted to her. Maybe I could spend more time with her to get to know her better?

    Or maybe she will simply dump me herself, who knows?

    Cause after the room sceneraio I sort of felt so beta after that! And My body language and stuff got to be more beta. She probably may dump me. fark!

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    Default Re: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    well if she wants to marry you and all you want is f close. i know we are pua and we teach people how to get woman to sleep with them but in this case i feel like she is way to emotionally envolved with this for you to screw her over like that. we might be PUAs but we have class. not to sound mean or anything
    im on a different level

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    Default Re: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    Did you ever take a factor into consideration that SHE COULD BE PLAYING ME TOO? Why do we suppose that women are these little emotional fragile angels. Women are and can be devious in many ways. We did just like to think/believe that they're not. Its 50-50. One can never be too sure.

    I have no intentions of emotionally screwing her over. And that means I may not fclose her at all (Not that I even know how to anyways). But then again, Women I read are crazy beings, they love sex. And they want it. But whats ranting in my head is, is it the right thing to do with her in this situation? We've barely even spend time with each other physically.

    With her I've been extra careful not to hurt her much by not giving her any hints that I am up for marriage or even interested in it. In fact, I want to empower her. Show her a good time.

    WILL SHE BE HAPPY KNOWING THAT WE HAD SEX EVEN THOUGH THE RELATIONSHIP WILL NOT WORK OUT? Do women feel good just knowing they had sex? They feel powerful? worthy?

    But apart from that,

    1) taking a scenario where emotions are left out, what could i have done to fclose her anyways? cause if such opportunity arises with any other women in future, i would know what to do.

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    Default Re: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    Spoiler alert: I say don't fark her.

    I think part of the uncertainty you're feeling is that you didn't draw a line. You aren't sure whether or not you want to fark her because you didn't DECIDE whether or not you wanted to fark her, sound more like you just wanted to see what happened and hoped for an f-close. When I say "draw a line" I mean decide where on a scale of HB1 - 10 is the lowest you will fark. Mystery tells aspiring PUAs that there really is not HB1-5, the only "do-able" chicks are 6 - 10.

    Attractiveness: Don't fark her. You can do better. Don't go below HB6.

    Also, like Hopeful33 said, there she may be in a different emotional place regarding sex - she also might not - it will be very difficult to tell because of the cultural difference.

    As far as what you can do next time... the last time I gamed Chinese girls I left the Beijing bar in a huff because the culture of the game is sooo different. I offered my friend Ling a drink once, and she declined, but I filled her glass anyway because that was culturally appropriate according to subtle signals... not sure what the signals are when a Chinese girl wants you to "fill HER glass"... if you know what I mean

    To find out, I think your best bet is to go to a bar at the ex-patriate area of your local city, plant yourself next to a man who looks to be from a similar culture and/or region as you, and ask him how to game Chinese / other Asian girls.
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    Default Re: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    well with her you might even want to talk about it the marriage thing so she doesnt have expectations. but if you wanted to f close her the sleezy way say you love her and all that but you dont want that. the PUA way to go about it is be nice slowly bring up a little sexual comment see if she laughs or plays along and take it from there
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    Default Re: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    Is it possible to ever take a factor into consideration that SHE COULD BE PLAYING ME TOO? Why do we suppose that women are these little emotional fragile angels. Women are and can be devious in many ways. We did just like to think/believe that they're not. Its 50-50. One can never be too sure.

    I just have this mindset that women are sexual deviants and they love and want sex. Relationship or not. Not sure if I got to change that mindset.

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    Default Re: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    Well you've actually answered your own question there. Women play us because they are emotionally fragile.

    As far as the marraige thing goes, I know it's considered strange in China for someone not to be married by 22 - kinda like the USA in the 1950's. My friend Ling used to talk about marriage a lot too - more so than a young American would even THINK about it.

    Talking about marriage might be a the way a Chinese woman tests the water to see if the guy is DTF just like we might give a little sexual comment to see if a girl is DTF - might be a cultural thing - but fark if I know why they talk about marriage so much. Might be a sh1t test, might be a screen, she might be trying to sexualize the interaction or she might actually be itching for a hitching.

    The cultural gap is pretty big in this case... I assume??
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    Default Re: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    I just learnt a new word. DTF haha. Thanks.

    There is not much of a cultural gap really for me. Me being Indian/Persian (Fair complexion) and living in Thailand most of my life, I am quite familiar with the south east asian and Chinese culture. And also pretty much quite familiar with american culture.

    Please allow me to correct you a bit though.

    1) Chinese are like everywhere. Malaysia, Hongkong, taiwan. and most of southeast asia.
    2) There are more women in hongkong than there are men. a ratio to like 3:1 Which sort to makes it harder to hongkong women to find good solid men (like me and us all PUAs ofcourse)
    3) There are divorces and breakups and stuff happening now in China and most cities that has been metropolized.
    4) While Chinese women do want marriage, they are marrying alot more later nowdays. I have many chinese single and committed women friends that are 24 and above and not married. Chinese women leave their options open due to financial and work constraints like most westerners nowdays.
    5) Chinese women loves to explore. These women are not your typical dumb bitches. They know the world.
    6) Chinese women, do not prefer multiple relationship. But they do like to be committed and loyal and chinese women are family oriented. But they have a part of them that can be reserved for unforseen events. Chinese women are more emotionally stronger than koreans in general. Most Pretty korean women are insecured because they they they are getting older and their pretty face wont last forever.
    7) There are nowdays many chinese women that goes to foreign countries and they do fuck around in discreet for the thrill of it. Korean women are on top of the FUCK AROUND list. Japanese being the next. Chinese coming on third.
    8) Chinese and Indian culture are very similar when it comes to marriage, money and family values.
    9) Chinese people are more and more now days accepting the divorces and the THOUGHT "DO WHAT THE FUCK U WANNA DO"
    10) Indians get VERY VERY VERY WORRIED in general if any male or female is not married by age 30 and over. They start worrying by age 25-26 and if they're still single. Chinese could be same.

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    Default Re: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    I have a part of me 50% that does not trust any women and is cautious of womens loyalty in general and the thought pattern that women are devious sexual whores and they like being treated like one. This part of me, allows me to initiate sexual moves. Because this part of me says, "she wants it, women cant live without sex, and I'm a man, I make ma move even if I get slapped, who gives a sh1t?"

    Another 50% part of me is a farking hopeless emotionally confused romantic, longing for trust, faithfulness and meaningful and lasting relationships. This makes me treat a women like little fragile farking angels.

    These two part of me, are sometimes in conflict.

    Anyways, lets say if i did wanted to fclose her in the room. What could i have done? is there a technique for that? I was so mind blank, i really did not know what to do. If i find myself in a similar situation again with some HB, I did like to at least have an abstract mapguide or something in head for me to work with. At the moment, having litttle to no sexual experience, I have none. Any help here would be most appreciated. WE WERE ALONE IN THE ROOM FOR GOD SAKE!

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    Default Re: Alone with Chinese in room, did not fclose, feeling range of emotions

    Nice! That's an enlightening list about Chinese women - might try some in-field later today

    As for general f-closing. In addition to building attraction and comfort, you also have to get her thinking about sex. This can be done by doing a cold read and then teasing her about being into kinky sex, or just talking about sex openly, or describing experiences in a very sensual way - focusing details of your stories and dialogues on the sensations of touch, smell, taste, sound, emotion, etc.

    You also have to escalate kino (there's a lot of info on the forum in Pick Up Field Reports and elsewhere about kino escalation). I personally like to take an "ebb and flow" approach - gestruing a lot with my hands and invading her space for an instant, then pulling back, or gesturing in a way that you touch her arm or shoulder, then turning away for an instant. This makes her comfortable with your proximity as well as making her miss your touch once it's gone. THen I have a few little riddles and gambits that involve "give me your hand..." and then once she's knocking her leg against yours you can just pull her in for the kiss usually - though there are a few kiss gambits you can use too.
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