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    Default I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    The basics: Im well established, Ive got the game, but I just started learning the science behind all this. I had been doing most of the tricks of the trade already (establish value, push-pull, cocky/funny and my former occupation taught me to read body language) and Ive led the life of a porn star in my civilian afairs. Im a lucky man.

    Here is the challenge: Im currently deployed with a ratio of almost 25 to 1 (male to female). These women are worse than strippers as far as their attention span in men, and they can choose whomever they want. Of the 50 or so women here, less than 20 of them fall in the attractive category, which further increases the competition.

    The approach is easy enough as we interact all day.
    Setting myself apart is easy enough, by NOT hitting on them and remaining uber professional. (they cant stand that Im the only one not hitting on them) But this is where it becomes tough. Once you peak their romantic interest and number close, you have to continue with the 'not hitting on them' ruse.....AND THIS, gentlemen, is where Im getting stuck...

    I dont think its as much a closing issue as it is keeping them interested long enough for a F-close, when the competition is ALL alpha-males and constant. Then...once the f-close is established (or even offered),...keeping them around for a bit (given that females are such a rare commodity here) without loosing them again to the above mentioned competition.

    Please enlighten me.....

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    Default Re: I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    Disqualify them. You have to flirt a little, but really innocent stuff so it's not obvious

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    Default Re: I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    Current target is tough....dis-qualifiers work with her but she fires them right back. Also due to a credibility setback, Ive got to reestablish value with her even though she knows something about me that really bothers her....

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    Default Re: I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    Infraction given for disrespecting women.

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    Default Re: I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    I agree with the red baron disqualify her constantly
    Quote Originally Posted by tormentor View Post
    Current target is tough....dis-qualifiers work with her but she fires them right back. Also due to a credibility setback, Ive got to reestablish value with her even though she knows something about me that really bothers her....
    I didn't understand give more details
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    Default Re: I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    Although reluctant to respond to this post here it goes.

    ^ this is one of those highly ignorant coments that make it harder for men in the long run AND only make a lot of them more bitchy and so on. Thank you sir for that wonderful statement of ignorance.

    Moving on. All the basics are still the same. Now allow me to say this. If your rank is the same as theirs you have a lil bit of work because you are automatically labeled as immature and ignorant and so on. Depending on the caliber of girl she might be. So, dont be yet another dumb ass boot and with that you are already ahead of the game.

    When flirting make it light but sporadic. Realistically speaking you control the entire thing. You just have to be alpha amongst alphas. Think about it. You hear about senior military men having sex with the younger ones. Why do you think this is? Its the alpha factor and because its dangerous and so on. Use your head on this one and most these guys will treat them like ugly girls and blah nlah. How do I know? I know dudes who got caught.

    Anyway, light flirting at first, as time goes on progress into a warmer type of flirting, dont act like a dumb ass like your buddies do. Example of this, farkers pick up fights or run around thinking with their ass and embarrass everyone around them. BE MATURE AND FUN. Its a lot different from be and immature dumb ass trying to be fun. Also you need to be a leader and a dude ready to say fark it and go your own way because you choose to do so.

    I know the saying bros before hoes but in the military you have no idea how stupid your bros can make you look some times. I know this. Anyway I can go on forever with this but basically its all common sense.

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    Default Re: I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ridemyr1 View Post
    Although reluctant to respond to this post here it goes.

    ^ this is one of those highly ignorant coments that make it harder for men in the long run AND only make a lot of them more bitchy and so on. Thank you sir for that wonderful statement of ignorance.

    Moving on. All the basics are still the same. Now allow me to say this. If your rank is the same as theirs you have a lil bit of work because you are automatically labeled as immature and ignorant and so on. Depending on the caliber of girl she might be. So, dont be yet another dumb ass boot and with that you are already ahead of the game.

    When flirting make it light but sporadic. Realistically speaking you control the entire thing. You just have to be alpha amongst alphas. Think about it. You hear about senior military men having sex with the younger ones. Why do you think this is? Its the alpha factor and because its dangerous and so on. Use your head on this one and most these guys will treat them like ugly girls and blah nlah. How do I know? I know dudes who got caught.

    Anyway, light flirting at first, as time goes on progress into a warmer type of flirting, dont act like a dumb ass like your buddies do. Example of this, farkers pick up fights or run around thinking with their ass and embarrass everyone around them. BE MATURE AND FUN. Its a lot different from be and immature dumb ass trying to be fun. Also you need to be a leader and a dude ready to say fark it and go your own way because you choose to do so.

    I know the saying bros before hoes but in the military you have no idea how stupid your bros can make you look some times. I know this. Anyway I can go on forever with this but basically its all common sense.

    Cheers!
    yes it was a broad generalization and not every girls is a slore. But think about how many doods you have known to who wifey up a chick because of a deployment or fell head over heals just to see her cheat on him?

    Im assuming you have served yourself. I know from expirience women never had to carry there weight on deployment. They always recieved special treatment. Perhaps i am incredibly off base for saying what i said. But fishing off the company peer with fellow soldiers, sailors, and airmen is never a good idea.

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    Default Re: I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    Quote Originally Posted by tormentor View Post
    Current target is tough....dis-qualifiers work with her but she fires them right back. Also due to a credibility setback, Ive got to reestablish value with her even though she knows something about me that really bothers her....
    There was this one chic of the same rank as me. Anyway, she was chased by everyone so she was used to it. Mind you by the time they reach my level that means they been in for a while so they are really used to this shit.

    Anyway, I meet her and what do I do? Dont hit on her at all. Go straight to the point with business and blow her off after. One day I sent her a light email trying to be funny. She replies with blah balh blah I'm in. From there it progressed and I got her number. Every time I see her I don't hit on her right away because in the end it's simple dynamics. You are woman (although an Alpha woman) I am the alpha goddamn it lol. Keep the interaction that way because in her head she may be thinking, why is this fool not flirting with me??? basically you are now different.

    Anyway, got her number and son on and then BAM! I deployed bahahahaha sad story. Anyway I am fairly experienced with this dude (military women) all I have to say that should cover everything is this. If you are a junior its gonna be a bit harder in a small way, but your opportunities are abundant because you have a huge selection. I don't.

    Now if you are higher rank and you wanna live on the edge and risk your career then you can bag many younger ones but you are in constant danger. that's guaranteed because now ALL THE DAMN HATERS WILL CHASE AFTER YOU! and by that I mean all these boots are gonna be hating on you and will try and take you down. that's guaranteed. Not worth it.

    Anyway, if that's what you want then you are already alpha amongst alphas, so they know you as that, and then hold light eye contact with them and smile and then walk away. you will be amazed what this does. Specially after you deliver an ass chewing to everyone. You just have to be careful and I don't recommend it.

    Lastly, they are military women so you know how we hear that women want sex more than likely more than men? well in the military it is very true. So if you are walking around putting her on this lady category than your stupid and this is where most guy fuck it up and they end up cheating on them. How do I know? I lost a really awesome girl this way before I changed to who I am today. So, whatever girl she is you need to treat her the way she wants to be treated which may just be as a woman with needs that need to be satisfied by a MAN, and not a boy like the so many in your base, FOB or wherever you are.
    To my bros who served with me.
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    Default Re: I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    Here's the thing about women in the military, police, high power positions - everyone thinks 'I have to scale her high wall'. No you dig underneath. She is not hard, she is a woman who built tough high walls around herself but you can dig underneath to her roots by aiming straight at her feminine instincts. The advice of disqualifying her is accurate but I will explain how you can actually do it.*

    Deep down she is a woman who has chosen a disciplined profession that takes initiative and perseverance to a cause. She will naturally 'block out' any potential threats/diversions because she is goal driven. Therefore she will probably (ie via the laws of probability) like a guy who takes initiative and exposes leadership values above her and does not waste time but ultimately matches her goals - whether it be sexual release or LTR.*

    So you have to have two threads going - 1 which is tapping into her feminine pyschology and 2 which triggers her desire for superior male leadership. Both of which match her goals. I would bet that all the other alphas do not take on such a double pronged strategy and just act like high school platoon boys or deflated macho wimp straight into AFC. Her reaction will naturally be to over exaggerate her own discipline and power by shutting those guys down building her walls even larger. Blocking them out. You can differentiate yourself from your comrades by learning what her goals are and using that knowledge to your advantage. That doesn't mean friendzoning her but raising the odd question or statement during random professional and personal banter.

    Where the ratio of men to women is a disadvantage to you in numbers, it is also an opportunity in reverse for you to talk to her about subjects or emotions that generally only women and LTR couples talk about.*

    If you have remained professional to her so far and not hit on her then hopefully she will have already developed a respect for your strength and leadership to a degree. But she is also a women and will likely understand full well every guy wants to screw her and who her potential 'mates' would be in theory as well as the professional repercussions a relationship can have on her.*

    She will also have hidden away a deep vulnerability in that she is a women first and foremost, in a male dominated environment, that she is not having sex and that she is unable to talk with many female friends about female problems or issues. She will have in place mechanisms for buffeting that.*

    She may also genetically have a lower level of estrogen naturally making her more 'manly' and less feminine. The fact is not all male and females have equal levels of hormones, which in turn can effect all sorts of social and relationship issues including sexual persuasion and career choice. Consider accurately what type of women join the military and for what reasons. She may have built walls, she may be more masculine or she may be a closet lesbian who has a*secret partner back home. You have no idea unless you ask. All sorts of people walk among us.

    So I would start testing her reactions. She will be used to 'drills' so she should oblige to a sneaky assault course of the mind if you ask appropriately. One way to test these parameters is to test her in subtle ways by making her a closer 'buddy' - one of your male buddies - for a short while to dig into her or by being LESS alpha and becoming her 'soft' or 'female' confidant or, if you are capable, by being absolutely superior to her like a general so she sees you as way up the chain. I'm not saying you stop acting alpha or try extremes literally straight away but perhaps talk to her about things that are common to all females irrelevant of profession. An example: If it is military policy women cannot wear make up while on duty (I have no idea personally but it doesn't matter) then ask her how she feels about this. Ask her then when does she wears make up? Does she miss make up? Why does she not miss it? Why does she miss it? A simple question like that could open a subtle pandoras box to her past, why she is in the military, what her desires and reasons are ('I joined the army cuz my daddy died in nam and I was always a champ in sport, I always came first'). You can listen and add the odd reply that match your virtues with her goals. I'm just giving you an example off the top of my head but I trust you see the strategy in such a simple, curious, innocent question.*

    Part of war is deceit, propaganda and intelligence gathering. Deceive your other alpha buddies and go espionage style. Gather recon. Spy. Listen. Spread propaganda to your platoon that she's like a sister to you if caught talking about her missing wearing mini skirts or you like her auburn hair. Allow her to reveal her female secrets, weakness and desires but ensure you have cleared your 'territory' so she can.

    Many people join the mitary to be 'protected' and 'trained' to be strong because deep down they are weak. You know this to be true. Lie and wait. Watch how James bond gets grace jones into bed watch top gun and concede it is the powerful bad boys, the clever, the creative or the good looking that get the girls. If you can't be powerful or good looking then utilize your aptitude to be clever and creative. The dumb but powerful soccer player can get the supermodel, the strung out rock star can get the supermodel, the officer can get the supermodel. James bond always got the supermodel. Bring it back to boy meets girl. But in your situation you need to first do a bit more espionage into what kind of a girl she really is. Ask her some curious, innocent, strategic questions about her past, her desires and her goals so you have a blueprint to analyze.

    So the double dare I give back to you is this: be a true war monger and gather intel, propaganda your threats as need be and target your enemies weaknesses by whatever means, especially psychological. Wars may fought on the battlefield but they are won or lost by the guys in banking, technology and politics. Be the general and develop a clear and foolproof strategy rather than the soldier fumbling for bullets. All's fair in love and war as they say

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    Default Re: I DARE you experts to tackle this one..military girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanktop View Post
    yes it was a broad generalization and not every girls is a slore. But think about how many doods you have known to who wifey up a chick because of a deployment or fell head over heals just to see her cheat on him?

    Im assuming you have served yourself. I know from expirience women never had to carry there weight on deployment. They always recieved special treatment. Perhaps i am incredibly off base for saying what i said. But fishing off the company peer with fellow soldiers, sailors, and airmen is never a good idea.

    dude I hear you. This is where it falls and I will generalize on this.

    I have met many women who pull more weight than men. Why do some get special treatment? because the leaders (usually men) treat them for what they are vice who they want to be, which is little girls and eventually they fuck it up. So whose fault is it? men!

    I will tell you this much. I have no sympathy for anyone at work. I was a DI so my sympathy goes but so far. I have many stupid issues at work and no matter what everyone gets treated the same. So these chics know this much, DONT PISS OFF THE GUY WITH THE ROCKERS! they get treated firmly but fairly and guess what this does also? create attraction because this guy doesnt treat me like the rest. You get the idea.

    Not making excuses for all because there are many worthless ones floating around. That's for sure, but isnt it the same way everywhere in the world? who creates this mentality? MEN DO because we instigate this. Realistically speaking you can use this to your advantage because now you get to be the one who stands from the crowd with your own behavior.

    Now would I fish from the pond that I have to swim in? fuck no that's just asking for drama. I mean to each its own but I wouldnt.

    At the end of the dude, you are in a highly interesting situation. The problem may be that we didnt realize this until we discovered the community. You have ass loads of women who are used to being treated in a special way, and now you are the guy who shows up and does the complete opposite from others which in turn creates attraction. Play the game brother, dont let it play you! but beware of the haters. They are everywhere! lol
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