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    Default Openers get blown out

    Last night I got severely blown out by a HB9, when I said "looks 9/10, but personality I don't know yet"

    Then later when I was talking to my guy friend and told him about my dis-qualifier "Your good looking, but what do you have going for you, besides your looks?" He says that both of these were too harsh. Hmmm

    That's hard to understand. What am I supposed to do? Kiss their ass, just because they are good looking? Do you guys have this problem too?

    Do you guys find you have the same issue? I know Mystery would neg a target so bad that she would actually get super pissed. And I know Julian from RSD, says he'd rather have a negative emotion, than none at all.

    Advice?

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    Default Re: Openers get blown out

    I'd say your friend was right about it being a bit too harsh. Negging is more for girls who get testy with you. It's meant to knock down a girl who thinks her $hit don't stink a notch. It's more for you to gain power in a situation where a girl is either talking down to you or acting like she is above you. Girls like this are looking for that guy who has the balls to go toe to toe. This will probably not work on a girl who is genuinely friendly. Many good looking girls are actually very friendly, so you don't really need to neg them. Teasing them is ok. It's to find that fine line between teasing and jabbing (negging).
    Hard work equals hard bodied sexy women in your life. Picking up women = putting in the time and effort go get good at it. Most naturals have put in this time and effort without it appearing as time and effort to them!

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    Default Re: Openers get blown out

    Well that's interesting. The second is an actual part of a opening dialogue that is used by Alex Coulson at succeed at dating dot com. He usually says this within a minute of meeting a girl.

    And the first was just a made up variation of the first. And to me how is that one harsh. First I complimented her on her looks (you're not supposed to do that). And second I said I didn't know about her personality yet, which is true, because she didn't talk at all. So I presented a verbal challenge to her. Mind you, she was a bit drunk. People do tend to get easily offended while drinking.

    That's just odd....

    P.S. my buddy doesn't study or do pick up at all.

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    Default Re: Openers get blown out

    I just watched a video on daygame dot com. And Tom Torero was talking about how, some openers and dialogue will work with one girl and it won't work with another.

    I think that answers my question. I need more calibration and experience.

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    Default Re: Openers get blown out

    I like the "beauty is common" routine by mystery better. It gets them asking what kind of things you lok for in a girl etc.

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    Default Re: Openers get blown out

    Actually I was reading up on these type of openers last night. The fact of the matter is, if we use them too early on in the interaction, she will most likely blow us out.

    We are only to use dis-qualifiers like this after she has given an ioi of some sort. Even just scratching the back of her hand, or flicking her hair, batting eye lashes.

    I totally mis-calibrated.

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    Default Re: Openers get blown out

    What exactly did she say to you man?

    I use those type of beauty is common frequently, but after the opener of course.

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    Default Re: Openers get blown out

    Well what I said was "looks 9/10, but personality I'm not sure yet"

    She put up a total bitch shield and walked away. I hadn't built up any comfort whatsoever. Yea that was my problem.

    And I didn't even "open" her. That was my opener, so to speak.

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    Default Re: Openers get blown out

    What works with some wont work with all.

    You can iron out a routine and have proof of its effectiveness(f close, # close w/e) but then take it out on the next girl and be shot down.

    However figure out what is effective and what is not. Dont start substituting all your plays because you didnt get a response then end up confusing yourself for the worse...

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    Default Re: Openers get blown out

    As in the words of Tyler Durden- RSD "pick up is not a science, it's more like an art"


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