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    Default Everyones Worst Screw Ups

    I thought it would be nice for me to start a thread where we all share our worst screw ups. Not just failures, but ways we have totally bombed and screwed up sets or situations that were otherwise going our way. These should ideally be embarrassing and shameful. Itll be great for people to read to just put their own shortcomings in perspective and give them motivation to keep on trying even though they have setbacks and screw up sometimes. And it will also be great for us to share the valuable lessons we have learned from our screw ups, so that others dont have to make the same mistakes, and can just have the wisdom instead haha.

    Thursday and firday this week I had two of the worst screw ups I have ever had. Totally embarrassing and shameful.

    I started a pua wing man group and actually got a email from a girl. A girl who was super excited to see me doing that in my city, and says she has been into pua culture for a long time. She started asking me all these intellectual relationship questions. Wrote a few paragraphs. Apologized for rambling and admitted being a nerd. I looked up her picture...she was beautiful. I was stunned. I emailed her back saying, we should just get together for coffee. She loved the idea. I set a date for saturday at seven. Shoulda just left it at that but she emailed me back with somethign and I kept going back and forth. She asked me about my name. I told her it was my shaman name. being as how she is intellectual and nerdy I figured she could handle that kinda subject. She came back with a witty joke saying is yoru spirit animal peacock. Idk what I said to that, I just bantered and joked back. Then she said wait are you one of those weird guys on craigslist who offers women free crystal massages. I took this as sarcasm, joking about weird internet creepers, so I played along, saying yea but the crystal is really a penis hahaha. Whats a crystal massage anyways?

    yea, that was stupid. It ended there. I had assumed she was cool and had been in pua forums enough to know what guy talk is like, and that she was joking about internet weirdos and weirdos into shamanism and I was supposed to play along, among other things. Boy was I wrong. Lol she sent me an email saying ok that was weird I am uncomfortable and creeped out dont contact me anymore etc. I was like geez sorry I was just joking back to you. Lol may have been the fault of marijuana. I can see afterwards how it was not good risk management.

    Manage your risks properly gentlemen. LOl that one hit me pretty hard. I mean I literally, and with serious irony, have a girl fall into my lap, just for being a PUA!!! I mean it was so crazy, and a super sexy beautiful one too! And we have a date! Just automatically! Maybe it was too easy so I didnt take it seriously, idk. but loosing that one was a serious blow. I mean how could I loose that? It was so easy!!! It was a major F-up. Like wow. I guess you just dont value whats easy, so its easy to screw it up.

    So the next day I took my son to the museum of play. In our city its this big museum of everythign with teh theme of play. Its for kids and adults. Crazy place.

    So I caught a hot young employee hiding to text. went up to her. called her out on it. Bantered with her a little. Said later. Nothing inappropriate. I had seen her before and told her she was pretty and talkeda little then. Just casual common stuff. I'm still learning direct so i keep it casual, take baby steps, you know. So this time I didnt say anything about her looks. Just bantered about her being a rebel at her job. very short too. Then I left. A few minutes later a manager approached me to tell me that "A few" of the s taff had complained that I was making them uncomfortable with personal remarks and such. lol can you imagine getting spoken to for hitting on the staff at a family museum? hahahaha. crazy. Luckily I hadnt actually said anythign inappropriate that day. Idk what that chicks problem was, she was probably one of these girls who is like 18 and super weird about people who are socially outgoing. Who knows. It was messed up though. Seriously. Especially since I hadnt really hit on her that day. And tehy said a few staff. hahaha. I had hit on a few staff tehre but not that day. I was left to wonder how many actual complaints they had gotten. It really sucked. But I know my frame is growing stronger cause it didnt really embarrass me, make me hot and sweaty or any of that. I just felt bewildered, and like it was a messed up situation. Idk. Guess maybe I should make sure the girls I talk to are definately out of their teens hahaha. And pay more attention to IOD's, idk. I'm not sure what to learn from that except watch out cause girls can be seriously messed up creatures. And again, risk management. maybe I shouldnt be utilizing EVERY venue, hahaha.

    So these two seem pretty epic to me. Who else wants to share their story?

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    Default Re: Everyones Worst Screw Ups

    Haha, good idea for a thread. Those do seem pretty embarrassing but it's all a journey on the path to being a guy who makes everyone else feel comfortable and good about themselves. So there will be mistakes along the way but as long as we keep trying they'll actually be learning experiences, right?

    Recently I started texting a girl I met online who actually messaged me first. I was trying to get her on the phone but she didn't return my call. So in the middle of us texting I just called her and she didn't pick up. I sent her a text saying, "Lol, are you afraid of talking to me or what?" Yeah, she didn't respond after that! I think this comes down to a basic behavior of feeling like I wanted to force the situation rather than just letting it be what it was. The cool guys are just laid back and let the girls come to them, right? I have to keep on learning not to force anything, to just wait.

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    Default Re: Everyones Worst Screw Ups

    Lol that is actually a common scenario. A lot of more attractive girls I have found actually have very little social skills. They dont have to, everyone has always just flocked around them and licked their feet. This is a lot like something I would do because I am just not going to be playing games and stuck on text forever. The important thing is to have a reason for calling. Leave a message saying "Hey I know we were texting but I actually had to go so I wanted to just call to finish up the conversation real quick, I'll be busy the rest of the day." Or "Hey I know we were texting but I just thought of something I wanted to ask/tell you that I couldnt over text, call me". Or a combination of the two. Something like that.

    And yea your right. Embarrassing things are going to happen. There are going to be screw ups. And honestly there are a lot of instances where things dont go well with one woman, where the same tactics would have worked well with others. You just dont know what a chicks mind is like. I mean if you had called most girls they probably would have picked up and this would have been a nonissue. Same with me and my experience at the museum of being told I was making "people" uncomfortable cause I had talked to one employee there. I mean no one ever really does that. It was a totally unique incident. It was really mostly her, not me. I mean could I have done better? yes of course. There is always room for improvement. But the point is dont be too hard on yourself. Some of the fault falls on the girl too, and you have to keep that in mind and not beat yourself up. That girl at the museum was obviously messed up. I mean what kind of girl wouldnt just IOD, or tell me she had to get back to work? She sits there bantering with me, then tells her boss to tell me I was making her uncomfortable? Yea, thats not my fault. lol. was embarrassing and I do need to improve but I'm not going to sit here feeling like crap because of some stupid young chick who cant handle being talked to lol. And yea, if a girl is not getting off text, I'm going to call her too. I'm going to be extremely tactful about trying to get her off of text, and calling. But you do need some level of directness, and inhibition.

    And women who cant have conversations are just not worth our time.

    Anyways yea, messing up is just part of the game and learning how to perfect it, as well as building frame. I remember sitting there being spoken to by the museum lady thinking to myself, its so remarkable how I am really not that embarrassed compared to how I used to be in these situations, where I used to get all hot and sweaty and feel really bad, I didnt now. My frame has gotten so much stronger.

    And your phone call story is honestly nothing compared to the ways in which you will get shot down and rejected as you game more and more women, and some of the complex and awkward situations youll get into as well. I mean especially in the bar scene and dealing with groups there is a lot of potential for that.

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    Default Re: Everyones Worst Screw Ups

    my absolute worst screw up was not the result of my game being bad, but rather the result of a scrawny redhead with a big dog.

    so to give some background this was when i was first starting into pua (i was on vacation and i was half way through my very first seduction book "how to succeed with wemon by ron luis and david copeland) i was 16 at the time and i had decided i would get out of my comfort zone by walking around the campground with no shirt on saying hi and making small talk with everyone there.

    it was great that i was saying hi to complete strangers for one of the first times in my life and i was pumped, i didn't care what any of them thought and i was having a good time seeing the expressions on their faces (people aren't used to having random people just say hi and walk away)

    so when i get to the shower house there's this redheaded chick with two dogs, one of them was a realy shaggy husky that was tied to a pole and the other was a german shephard that she had on a leash she was holding. she couldn't have wieghed more than 100 pounds and she was only 15 years old (my best guess of her age) so i walk over and try to use the dog opener, (bad mistake)

    when i reached to pet her german shepard it tryd to bite me and started barking loudly, she try'd to keep it under control and i asked about her dog (wich by now was tugging pretty hard on its leash and she was having trouble keeping ahold of it)

    i should have known something bad was going to happen, but i wanted to save the set (she seemed attracted at the time)

    after about ten seconds the dog pulled hard enough to knok her down and it started dragging her, i started to try to escape and as i looked over my shoulder to see what was going on she was about to let go and she screamed run!!!all of the sudden i had an oh sh!t moment and i took off just as she let go of the leash (just in time )
    i just kept running and this dog was running full sprint less than 2 feet behind me
    after running about 100 yards i see this pick up truck backing out and i ran and jumped strait in the air and landed on my nads hitting the side of the truck bed and slowly rolling into the bed of the truck.
    she came and appollogized, but i never saw her again, the lesson to be learned- don't use the dog opener on girls with ferocious dogs

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    Default Re: Everyones Worst Screw Ups

    Quote Originally Posted by SexualSorcerer333 View Post
    She sits there bantering with me, then tells her boss to tell me I was making her uncomfortable? Yea, thats not my fault. lol.
    Exactly. Like you said, a lot of the potential for weirdness rests with the women. And I just realized something. No matter how good we get, there's a good chance that when we start talking to women, THEY are going to do something that makes the situation uncomfortable. So it's our job as pua's and men to stay relaxed and direct the interaction to a more comfortable place.

    And this is interacting with strangers who know nothing about who we really are. So why would you let an interaction with this person affect your self-image?

    And I'm with you on not getting as embarrassed any more. It's just like, "Well that didn't work!"

    Meteora- hahahaha, I'm glad it didn't ruin you for life!

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    Wow. That definately is Epic meteora. Like wow. Its not the same type of embarrassing as getting told by museum staff that your making people feel uncomfortable. But definately a way more extreme situation that I think totally tops mine, and was a miniature thrill to read, so thank you.

    So what is the dog opener? I dont know if you just mean you were talking about the dog or if there is a specific opener.

    And what happened after you accidentally jumped into the pickup truck? I mean didnt the owner of teh truck come out and be like whats going on? How did the dog stop? Lol this story's ending is a little sketchy.

    Remember a good story has a beginning,a middle, and an end. Storytelling is important in the gaming women and being socially charismatic, so you need to make sure neither one of these three parts is sketchy, confusing, or has any holes in it or incongruencies. This is a perfect chance to work on your story telling. Because aside from the sketchiness at the beginning and end adn not giving all the details, this story is a perfect example of a good story. Its short and super exciting. You should definately use it in your social life.

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    Lmao, meteora that is an epic story :L props to you for carrying on trying when the dog is trying to bite you, perseverance 'eyy

    So I had a different kind of screw up........I had only just got into PU and started experimenting with it, so I was texting a few girls and asked one to come to a gig with me, she agreed but cancelled a few hours beforehand. So I then basically asked a different girl to come with me who agreed and said she'd meet me there. So me and my buddies got there and saw some people we knew who had this redhead HB8 with them. So since my date wasn't ther yet I started hitting on her, isolated her and just as I k close my date walks in. Oops :L so she comes over and kicks off I get slapped and she storms off, redhead chick walked off during this as well. So I decide to try and salvage the situation and go after the redhead, she didn't seem to mind and carries on making out with me. About half hour later I get a text in from the girl I originally asked to come with me it read 'nice one jerk, so I'm guessing I was just a replaceable number? Enjoy your redhead.' turns out she had decided to come anyway and was going to surprise me. So moral of the story, don't double book an evening, don't k close girls when waiting for a date to turn up. Iv grown up a lot since then, admittedly I was a bit of a jerk lol :L that redhead was awesome in bed tho

    Linking x

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    oh yea totally sal. No matter how good you are, women can oftentimes be socially inept because they just dont have to put in effort. Its messed up really. How men just throw themselves at the feet of women, so the quality of womens personalities goes down. There are high quality women out there though, thats what I am looking for, and thats what the venusian arts is about, increasing the quality of your women. This can only be done by recognizing when a woman cant hold her own in conversation, and realizing that she is not worth your time. No matter how good you get, there is just no compensating for some types of womens lameness. And what we are all here for is to try to create a social utopia free of fear, nervousness, anxiety, which abounds in friendliness, and free love. And bitch guard aside, a lot of young or hot girls can be a bit antisocial, want to stick to only their circle, be genuinely guarded, and sometimes unfriendly, or do really really messed up things, like giving out their phone number to a guy because they never learned to say "no", adn then having their friend call the guy back when the guy texts them, to tell them not to text them again. Or like what I encountered at the museum where a girl banters with me then tells her boss to tell me to leave the staff alone. I mean thats messed up, and younger hotter women will do that because they have absolutely no social skills and are just weird people. And its not right. I mean 18 years old, thats an adult. What kind of adult person cant tell a person no, gives out there phone number or makes conversation with them only to do something like that? Its really messed up. And it happens a lot. And it goes against everything we are about socially. So why would you want to be giving your time and energy to a woman who is not on your level socially, and is honestly the antithesis of what you are about socially? You have to look for those warning signs when a girl is acting socially awkward, or unintelligently, or seems younger than your original estimate of her age. Because yea, women can be really weird and messed up. And they will act like you are a creeper just for being friendly sometimes. Its just something that happens. Ideally if we all practice our social skills enough, friendliness will become more commonplace and these antisocial and unhealthy behaviors will be reduced. Its just important that you not blame yourself when a girl acts like that. And just keep improving your game, and working together with other PUAs to develop this community (and of course make sure we are not getting robotically stuck in routines and other practices that make what your doing obvious as the public learns more about us, and of course reducing the amount of taboo associated with us - which of course goes back to just improving your social skillls to be able to neutralize weird situations. Cause there will also be situations where girls call you out in any variety of ways and you have to be able to say, "Yea I belong to a group of men who practice ways of being more socially proactive and friendly and increasing our social network" or something like that).

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    Default Re: Everyones Worst Screw Ups

    So wait, linking, you mean a girl (X) cancelled on you, and you made a date with another girl (Y), and then show up to hit on and kiss a redhead (Z), when girl Y then shows up to slap you, and then you go after Z and things continue to go well with her, but sometime while your with the redhead the original girl X shows up too, but doesnt say anything to you, just texts you later? I guess what I am confused about is two things, is the text you recieved from the original girl X, or the next girl Y, and if its from the original girl X, then did she not even bother to approach you, but just showed up saw you and left, sending you the text message? THe lack of name or identifying factors of the women makes the first two confusable.

    Lol this is another story that is a really awesome story but kinda fell apart at the end and wasnt clear on the details. But if told a little better is a really good story. And definately a good screw up to have shared.

    Whats the lesson though? People arent sharing the lessons they learned from these screw ups! Without the wisdom from these screw ups yoru forgoing a large amount of the purpose of sharing.

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    Default Re: Everyones Worst Screw Ups

    I couldn't agree more. I think young hotties do have a better chance of having a warped social attitude where they think they can do whatever they want because no one ever challenges them.

    Of course we have to decide whether we'd really want to be with someone like that anyways. Personally, the whole, "I'm a hot bitch" thing doesn't really do it for me.


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