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    Default She Says Friend, but Does More, MTLR

    So what's happenin everybody.

    Ok, so there's this girl, HB9, I've been talking to lately and we have been bouncing between friends and more for about a month and a half. 2nd time we hung out I could have full montied but didnt because I wouldn't respect her after. 3rd time she was too wasted and I told her that. Next day she denies that she would have, I'm like, "yeah ok." ha.

    So since then I have pushed real hard and been extremely verbal w my intentions, sending her explicit texts, etc. She said she was into it at first, but when we hung out I feel that it put so much pressure on her to put out w all of these indicators of expectations I put on her. She said she wanted to jus be friends after I tried messin around w her. Then I was in a pouty mood and told her im not lookin for another friend.

    She said she didnt know why she didnt want to mess around, she said she thinks im hot, shes attracted to me, im totally her type and she feels that she is already gets all of the companionship qualities from our friendship that she doesnt want anything else. I was like fark. So then she got sad, then mad and said so you dont want to hang out w me unless I mess around w you. I was like, uhhh, well Im just lookin for more than a friend.

    Anywho, I decided that she is a pretty awesome person and I would be happy to be friends w her because I really do enjoy her company. That next morning(she spent the night), I asked her to rub my back, saying hey thats a friendly thing. She said of course, then she fell asleep on me. Then she woke up and i was cuddling w her and said screw it and pressed myself on her thinking oh well, why not. I tried not to at first it was just natural. She responded positively to that, started pushing back and I ended up getting oral sex. Before that escalated quickly, she said you arent going to think anything different of me are you? I said, no, absolutely not. She said you arent going to get mad if you see me making out w other guys are you? I said nope. I would have said anything at that point to just keep going. Im sure you guys know how I felt at that momemt.

    That was fun, then the next time we hung out we messed around again. Not a whole lot of kissing(barely any actually), but she let me do some stuff to her and let me finish. Btw, prior to this second time messing around she said she thought it was weird I'm not out there trying to get laid more. I said I am trying and am talking to more girls now than I ever have. I told her I was dating and had many prospects. I then felt it was a good idea to make up a story about how one of the girls came over and I got laid. She wanted details but I only gave her a little. HB9 is pretty horny chick and is highly sexual. Then for real this other girl wanted me to come over that night too, so I told her about that too. After I told her about me being w 2 girls in one night, I told her I didnt lay the 2nd girl, she became more interested.

    Now that she is more aware of these girls she seems highly interested. So then she came over last friday to meet my sister and afterwards we went back to my place and we messed around for a while. She told me that I better have sex with her in the future and do her right. I played it off like casually and said you got it.

    It was nice and she said she had a wonderful time. Then she came back on Sunday and was stroking my cock through the whole movie, we didnt end up doing more but it was cool.

    I realize that I was expecting too much before and this was the unknown feeling of why she couldnt explain why she didnt want to mess around w me sexually. She didnt want to be the only source of a friendship and a sexual partner. To much pressure on her and too needy by me. So then she invited herself over the next night to watch batman and I said, nah you have finals, she said no its ok. I told her I would think about it.

    She ended up coming over, and to be honest I did expect something to happen. We got in my bed to watch the movie and I gave her plenty of room in between and she walked her hand over to mine and started holding my hand, rubbing it and playing with it. Then we started cuddling and she fell asleep on me. I was like fark it, ill let her sleep. Then she woke up and I put my hand on her and shes like, ahhh and shook it off. I was like wth. Anyway after a few more times over the next hour I was like well thats a turn off, shes like "good!" I was kinda bitter and she called me out on it, I was really trying to be cool and be like, "I understand" but it didnt work out too well. Then I go in the living room and shes starts rubbing my hand and my neck and back and said why arent you being my friend right now. I said I am. Anyways, she left to go home.

    I was pissed and wanted to say something the next day to her about it but I am also trying to remain drama free these days and felt that it wasnt a good idea. I just played it off like nothing happened at all. This was the best choice.

    She has told her parents about me and they are cool w her coming over and spending the night, etc. I dont know exactly what she told them but she says she feels good that she doesnt have to lie to them about what she is doing.

    Her and I text every day for the last 1.5 months and lately we have been talking on the phone alot too. She knows that when I dont call/text her that I am more than likely with another girl. I know this because once I told her that I had a date last night and shes like " I KNEW IT" in a joking manner.

    So we are going to be spending a lot of time together in the near future. She knows I am talking to 7 other girls, but I havent been talking about them much. I think she thinks things are fizzling out with them because of the amount of attention I have been giving her. It's just so natural for us, we get along awesome and we both really enjoy each others company.

    Tomorrow, we are going to dinner and then going to a casino, she wants to gamble for the first time to experience it. We have something else planned in a couple weeks and i said, hey its cool if we split the hotel room right, she said of ccourse. Even though i really really like this girl, not sure if shes gf material or not yet, but I dont want to let her know all of this. I am sure she believes that I really like her but I need to pull back a little in that dept. especially since she put my hands off her the last time we chilled.

    Q #1. So my question is this, when we chill tomorrow, I KNOW she is going to be touching me and holding my hand and stuff in the car and wherever we are. My friends say that I should take care of biz before I hang with her so I wont be so horny and expecting and just casually brush her off. Like if we are sitting down and she goes to hold my hand or rub my leg which I know she will, just calmly get up and grab a glass of water or something. Or if something starts happening start a conversation to kill the mood. Let her know that she cant have me whenever she wants, but do it in a way where its not intentionally trying to reject and hurt her out of retalliation from her previous encounter with me.

    I think this is a good idea. Girls want a chase. They want what they think they cant have. I need to reverse the roles somehow and I cant be chasing her. I have been in so many relationships in the past where I am chasing them and it sucks.

    Q #2. Also, we have been texting today and I was thinking of mentioning how this one girl im talking to is psycho and after hanging out with her 2x she isgetting all pissed that I am seeing other girls. Not sure if and when I should mention the other girls I am talking to in order to reinforce the fact that I am not putting pressure and expecting a bunch of sh1t from HB9.

    Q #3. One last thing. Should I send her a text or call her saying something like, hey I dont want you to get the wrong idea about all of these fun things we are going to be doing in the near future. I want you to know that I'd be more comfortable in splitting the costs with you(especially since I know dont buy a girl anything until after you have slept with her, as a reward), because I am still in date mode and don't want you to get the wrong impression. Or do you think that I shouldnt even say anything at all? I know she doesnt make a lot of money and I dont want her to be caught off guard when we do these nice things hoping i will pay. I dont think she would anyway, but I feel maybe saying something will also help come off as more of a chase and convince her that I am not as interested in her as she thinks.

    Please let me know what you guys think. I really appreciate it.
    Last edited by KristiBell; 12-13-2012 at 11:17 AM.

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    Default Re: She Says Friend, but Does More, MTLR

    I dont like how we can mess around when she wants to, but when I want to she isnt always cool with that. Even though everytime we hang out I want to. Maybe I should seriously try not to mess around with her the next 2 times we chill. It is going to be near impossibly for me to resist fucking around with her, especially if she is doing shit to get me going.

    Help!!! hahhaha

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    Default Re: She Says Friend, but Does More, MTLR

    Hey Bud,

    wow, that was a long post. haha.


    2 questions for you?

    1). How old are you? 2). how old is she?

    You both (especially her, since you said she "asked" her parents to stay over) sound young.

    That being said, if she's an 18-20 y.o teeny bopper it kinda changes things.. .. Has she ever had a serious relationship? ... Does she have other guys trying to "get" with her at the moment? She is interested in you but shows serious resistance. YOu have to figure out whats going on with her and her life proceed from there. DONT show any emotion if she doesn't want to get physical and DONT push for a relationship and you should be good.

    If it were me, and the girl was over 24 and doing that sh1t to me I would kick her out of my house. haha...She basically has you eating out of her hand and your willing to eat out of her hand. But please, take this with a grain of salt as I DO NOT know her age, and DO NOT know what emotional issues she may be dealing with.

    for now, you should hang out with her and RESIST her fake advances. Then if you want to take it a step further freeze her out a little.... then when you see her just act like every things normal...

    I feel she's giving you JUST ENOUGH, so she won't lose you as a friend. So she gives you a little action so you wont break your friendship... freeze her out n see what happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by inter1010 View Post
    Hey Bud,

    wow, that was a long post. haha.


    2 questions for you?

    1). How old are you? 2). how old is she?

    You both (especially her, since you said she "asked" her parents to stay over) sound young.

    That being said, if she's an 18-20 y.o teeny bopper it kinda changes things.. .. Has she ever had a serious relationship? ... Does she have other guys trying to "get" with her at the moment? She is interested in you but shows serious resistance. YOu have to figure out whats going on with her and her life proceed from there. DONT show any emotion if she doesn't want to get physical and DONT push for a relationship and you should be good.

    If it were me, and the girl was over 24 and doing that sh1t to me I would kick her out of my house. haha...She basically has you eating out of her hand and your willing to eat out of her hand. But please, take this with a grain of salt as I DO NOT know her age, and DO NOT know what emotional issues she may be dealing with.

    for now, you should hang out with her and RESIST her fake advances. Then if you want to take it a step further freeze her out a little.... then when you see her just act like every things normal...

    I feel she's giving you JUST ENOUGH, so she won't lose you as a friend. So she gives you a little action so you wont break your friendship... freeze her out n see what happens


    Thanks for the response. I am 31 and she is 23.

    Being an attractive female, I'm sure that she does have other guys trying to get with her. As far as she tells me, she says that she hasnt gotten w anyone besides me in 4 months. I can only go off of what she says. I know that she has been in at least one serious relationship before and the guy cheated on her.

    I totally agree, I will not show any emotion if she doesnt want to get physical.

    I will resist her fake advances. I will just not reciprocate when she goes to make the moves on me. I will let her do them, but I will TRY my absolute best to not touch her back. it is going to be harder than I can imagine.

    She hinted at the fact that she wanted me to pick her up tonight, which would mean that she is going to be spending the night here and I will be more than likely meeting her parents. Thats pretty cool. Im good with parents. Also, yesterday she had her little nephew call me and me and him were joking around on the phone. it was pretty cool. yeah when I talked to her on the phone last night, I was like I can only talk for a bit, shes like whyyyyyyyyy.. then I told her my friend was over and I didnt want to be rude.

    anywho, how do I freeze her out? I think she will get pretty upset if I don't call/text her. what if she calls texts me.. which she does all the time now because I have been mixing things up. I dont see how I can possibly ignore her without her wondering whats wrong or getting upset. especially if we have a really great time tonight which we will(not only sexual stuff, especially since I am going to try and resist which i dont think I will be able to). I dont want tonight to be awesome and then not call/text her back the next day. she will flip.

    again, if she starts escalating stuff which Im pretty sure she will tonight, i just dont see how I am going to resist messing around with her. I will do my best but in the end I think I will give in. Nooooooooooo... are you guys saying that I shouldnt give in and I should keep my pants on even if she tries taking them off? how can i possibly do that? maybe this is the reason that I am eating out of her hand. maybe my mindstate is fucked up and thats why I dont get it. help bros!

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    Default Re: She Says Friend, but Does More, MTLR

    whoa - u wrote a ton.

    i will just address ur text game and why she is acting opposite of ur text convo

    1) we all wear different masks wherever we are.
    2) in RL, women can be saints, but they can go slut on texts. this is mostly because it is relatively safe to say what they want.
    3) when u r sexting - u r allowing them free reign to fantasize without fear of committing.
    4) when she is presented with the REAL situation, she feels pressured as she may now have to be a slut

    i luv texting because u r speaking directly to the person inside/ego and the connection is deeper on that level when u first meet.

    ----------
    HOW TO TEXT correctly and get laid
    0) make sure she knows ur interested - don't let her steer u to friendzone
    1) keep it light and funny
    2) create PG fantasies with u both vs the world. example: stranded on island/robbing banks
    3) always hint sexually - but reprimend her for being a bad/naughty girl when she responds with direct sexual responses.
    4) u must NEVER go XXX on her or what u would do... keep hinting.
    5) when u do meet up - remind her that u r not into wanting sex. ur putting a lot of pressure on her to come thru with her fantasies by reminding her. imagine the pressure she's dealing with to get physical with a stranger.
    6) u must be a man and show her a good PG time (magic - chick crack) and KINO a bit... allow her to IOI u.


    MY STORY
    FB then TEXT this HB8 for 4.months in which she got more and more sexually charged. we eventually meet -- she had cold feet -- but because i kept reminding her that we're gonna have fun and laugh -- it took all the pressure off her shoulders and she could escalate to her pace.

    SDL and amazing sex for next 2 months. she did everything and made me feel like a god in bed (which i'm avg).

    --
    so, don't pressure her
    hint sexually but neg her when she does
    build the US mentality
    keep things upbeat


    GL.^^

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    WHEN U MEET HER

    1) run ur PUA stuff
    2) be fun, polite, KINO, and hint sexually
    3) if she KINOs u - reciprocate. she has allowed u more touch.
    4) if she talks sexually, NEG her playfully. example "oh my... that's naughty/bad girl"
    -- u want her to not feel slutty
    -- u want her to feel ok with stepping into her horny side
    5) do ur best to hit two places
    6) if u feel u will get laid, don't let her eat too much food. women will not lay u with a full stomach.


    GL

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    Hey bud,

    K now I now your both young adults and not 18 year olds... haha.

    Anyhow, I think your on the right track. Don't over think anything cause that will kill you. She is INTERESTED. Proceed forward and always ASSUME she is SUPER ATTRACTED TO YOU.
    If she initiates sexually towards you, let her!.... YOu don't have to resist her and tell her NO, just don't be the one to initiate. Let her do more of the work, and just lay back and relax. Obviously touch her if its going towards intercourse( have you had sex with her yet??) but just let her do 70% of the initiating.

    About freezing her out. I would hold off on it for now. Just feel her out and see how it goes. She seems like a nice girl who might be great relationship material. I do not know her previous relationship and how she got cheated on, so she may have walls up that relate to sex.

    If she starts initiating with you and then stops and goes to sleep(cockteases you) then you can try a freeze out. You dont be a DICK when you freeze a girl out, just act like you are busy and are doing other stuff if she contacts you. Be 100% polite about it, and act like nothings wrong and its no big deal..... anywho, I don't think a freeze out is necessary though. SHe's had a rough previous relationship and she seems like gf material, and if thats what you want you gotta figure her out. IF you were just looking for SEX, I would tell you to tell her to fuck off and if she comes back, she's yours. BUt obviously that s not what you want from her. YOu just need to be careful if you do get into a LTR, she may have a little more of the power. ... BUt your all good bro, have fun and respect women.

    Cheers

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    Default Re: She Says Friend, but Does More, MTLR

    Guys don't think I forgot. I will post full report when I get home tomorrow. Full Monty last night and a bunch of times today. Thanks for the tips!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOKiTran View Post
    WHEN U MEET HER

    1) run ur PUA stuff
    2) be fun, polite, KINO, and hint sexually
    3) if she KINOs u - reciprocate. she has allowed u more touch.
    4) if she talks sexually, NEG her playfully. example "oh my... that's naughty/bad girl"
    -- u want her to not feel slutty
    -- u want her to feel ok with stepping into her horny side
    5) do ur best to hit two places
    6) if u feel u will get laid, don't let her eat too much food. women will not lay u with a full stomach.


    GL
    Thanks alot man. I really appreciate the info regarding texting. This is def an area that I could use a good amount of improvement on.

    Everything went well! I will post a reply below describing what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inter1010 View Post
    Hey bud,

    K now I now your both young adults and not 18 year olds... haha.

    Anyhow, I think your on the right track. Don't over think anything cause that will kill you. She is INTERESTED. Proceed forward and always ASSUME she is SUPER ATTRACTED TO YOU.
    If she initiates sexually towards you, let her!.... YOu don't have to resist her and tell her NO, just don't be the one to initiate. Let her do more of the work, and just lay back and relax. Obviously touch her if its going towards intercourse( have you had sex with her yet??) but just let her do 70% of the initiating.

    About freezing her out. I would hold off on it for now. Just feel her out and see how it goes. She seems like a nice girl who might be great relationship material. I do not know her previous relationship and how she got cheated on, so she may have walls up that relate to sex.

    If she starts initiating with you and then stops and goes to sleep(cockteases you) then you can try a freeze out. You dont be a d1ck when you freeze a girl out, just act like you are busy and are doing other stuff if she contacts you. Be 100% polite about it, and act like nothings wrong and its no big deal..... anywho, I don't think a freeze out is necessary though. SHe's had a rough previous relationship and she seems like gf material, and if thats what you want you gotta figure her out. IF you were just looking for SEX, I would tell you to tell her to fark off and if she comes back, she's yours. BUt obviously that s not what you want from her. YOu just need to be careful if you do get into a LTR, she may have a little more of the power. ... BUt your all good bro, have fun and respect women.

    Cheers
    Well I def appreciate the info. I won't freeze her out. Things are going pretty good now. Still can't pay too much attention to what she says, more of so what she does.

    I totally agree with letting her do most of the initiating. Thats what going to make things better and leave the ball in my court. When you typed this message I might have been having sex with her for the first time. I will post more below.

    Thanks again brotha


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