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Thread: Effect of Race and Height on Game

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    Default Effect of Race and Height on Game

    Hello guys, taoist here. I have recently made it a commitment to finally get this area of my life handled. I read the game 2 years ago and tried it for a month before I got frustrated and gave up. The problem is though, I am still a virgin who kissed one girl in his entire life and I'm already 20. I feel sad due to my inability to attract the opposite sex. On top of that, I am 5'7" and of Indian orgin, which I think doesn't help when I go out.

    Everyone has told me that these are no matter since I started going out 2 weeks ago again, but I don't even know where to start to improve myself. In the past 2 years, even if I didn't go out, I've gotten rid of my accent (no accent at all anymore), started playing guitar and gotten more guy friends (which was still a problem when I came to US)

    In the back of my mind, I still have the idea that I am constantly judged by my average looks, race and height. What can I do? Where to start?

    Finally, sorry about sounding desperate, but I am really lost in this whole experience and would like to finally find a path to take. Thanks a lot ahead of time for your advice.

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    Default Re: Effect of Race and Height on Game

    Own it man. Did Napoleon care he was short? Did Biggie Smalls care he was fat? Nah. Other people can care but that's their problem. You choose whether it bothers you or not. It's a stupid thing to worry about cus you can't change it. So own it. Be the best damn 5'7 virgin Indian you can be. People will love and respect you for that. Cus you love and respect yourself. It's good vibes they're contagious. Not every girl is gonna wanna s your d but that's ok it only takes one. i'm a virgin too man don't worry about it, people starve in Africa like really. Best of luck to you my friend.

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    lol biggie smalls was pretty tall but I get the message. Much appreciated. I've learned that Style was pretty short too, so I guess all hopes are not lost.

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    Default Re: Effect of Race and Height on Game

    Race and height only becomes an issue if you choose for it to be.

    There are other people of Indian origin who are shorter than 5'7 that have no issue. It's all in how your personality is like.
    Always be honest with women. That's the true meaning of a PUA.

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    SonnyCurtis that is the best advice I have ever read on inner game. You hit the nail on the head. I know people who are physically smaller than me or have little quirks or whatever but they own it. That's who they are, that's what it really comes down to. Be you, but be the best you that you can be and really own it! In the end who are we attracted to? The average person? No, we are attracted to the people that stand out, but the key is they know they stand out and they own it, for whatever reason that may be.

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    Default Re: Effect of Race and Height on Game

    Quote Originally Posted by taoist View Post
    Hello guys, taoist here. I have recently made it a commitment to finally get this area of my life handled. I read the game 2 years ago and tried it for a month before I got frustrated and gave up. The problem is though, I am still a virgin who kissed one girl in his entire life and I'm already 20. I feel sad due to my inability to attract the opposite sex. On top of that, I am 5'7" and of Indian orgin, which I think doesn't help when I go out.

    Everyone has told me that these are no matter since I started going out 2 weeks ago again, but I don't even know where to start to improve myself. In the past 2 years, even if I didn't go out, I've gotten rid of my accent (no accent at all anymore), started playing guitar and gotten more guy friends (which was still a problem when I came to US)

    In the back of my mind, I still have the idea that I am constantly judged by my average looks, race and height. What can I do? Where to start?

    Finally, sorry about sounding desperate, but I am really lost in this whole experience and would like to finally find a path to take. Thanks a lot ahead of time for your advice.
    Wow, you just described a friend of mine (physically), except he's shorter, and has an accent still as he is of Indian origin. He doesn't really do day game or go out on weekends much because we are engineering majors so I can attest to the fact that he has a lot of work to do.

    That aside, he has gotten girls before. He is also 20 years old.

    Don't worry about how old you are. It's not a race. Learn as much as you can about pick up, practice it DAILY. You know, go to the gym if you need to, get decent at guitar. You don't even need to be good, just learn your basic chords. You know how many songs are like 3 or 4 chords only?

    And most importantly, have fun with it. Don't show that you're desperate and needy even if you are. Just have fun, laugh, that's all it takes

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    haha scguitar, I am an Engineering major too. That's too funny.

    Thank you guys for supporting me. I'm currently going through some self talks and trying to get my sh1t together and you guys have really helped, like you have no idea how much. Respect.

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    Default Re: Effect of Race and Height on Game

    taoist,

    Hey man you've got two inches of height on me, don't feel so bad! Height matters on the open and makes attraction slightly more difficult. Your game obviously needs to be much better than a 6'3 ripped basketball player to pull the same level of girl. In fact, someone like that can have wack game and still pull. That's life, those are the cards you've been dealt. That's why we're in game to begin with, to stand a chance against those guys. Having said that, if you actually sit down and work on this stuff you can outgame people much bigger and more attractive than you.
    Starting out I was routinely blown out of the water and AMOGed. It was miserable night after miserable night. You know, the kind where you stand at the edge of rooms with the other losers and creepily stare at the HBs?
    I've got a lot to learn and a ways to go before I would say I have really tight game. But I open sets, create attraction, and get numbers with a high success rate when I go out. I have good wingmen, but when they are doing other things or just don't want to go out, I head out solo. It's a little harder, but you can still build social proof and run solid game.
    I've had a few people dismiss me immediately on my height. This is a good thing. It weeds out the superficial people for you. (And believe me, you don't want the superficial ones.) Rejection is a nonissue at this point.
    What I'm trying to say is that all of these obstacles are only a problem if you let them be. If you care enough about picking up women, you'll put in the effort required to get good. It's not easy for a short guy, but if you learn outer game well enough and ditch the defeatist mentality and get solid inner game, you can be good despite looks, height, or race.

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    Default Re: Effect of Race and Height on Game

    Thanks a lot guys. I'm thinking about going out twice a week now (on the weekends), approach 10 sets, until I have no Approach anxiety anymore. After that, I'll master transition, then DHV and all that. Hopefully I'll have a great time along the way and I'm glad we can all be connected through our journey and share our knowledge.


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