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    Default Need help on kino and IOI on cute girl

    Hello, So I met this HB 8.5 in the club way back. Did cube and she liked it. Exchanged fb and she added me as friend. It has been almost a year and last week coming home from party started to chat with her on fb.

    Wrote that we have not seen in ages and we decided to meet. Exchanged numbers and met today.
    We talked and talked, showed her my alpha male because cube showed that he needs a strong man. Anyway talked about spells and she seemed to dig spiritual stuff.
    I started to kino more and more. She seemed like me touching her. Finally put my hand around her, but did not know if it was ok to leave my hand there, and after like 30 sec I took it away.

    So my question is how do you guys know when to escalate on kino ? And how long is ok to hold hand around her?

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    Default Re: Need help on kino and IOI on cute girl

    You did the kino thing. Very good. What about her?

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    Default Re: Need help on kino and IOI on cute girl

    She was little bit held back like "I let you touch me but I dont touch back"

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    Default Re: Need help on kino and IOI on cute girl

    Well, she's not shy, so if you do something and she doesn't... putting in other terms, when you give IOIs and she's responseless (the lack of IOI is an IOD) I guess that means you're probably coming off too strong.
    Really don't have enough knowledge to give you a straight answer, however I think that she was probably leaning back and you were leaning in... she was investing far less than you.

    An IOI gets an IOI, an IOD gets and IOD. Punishement/reward.

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    Default Re: Need help on kino and IOI on cute girl

    The thing ive heard over and over is two steps forward one step back. You can look up the kino escalation ladder. Honestly though dont worry about how many seconds to leave a hand or what to do next. Do what feels right and keep being dynamic. Some guys poke, others push and some just go in hard caveman style. Feel the moment and do whats natural. I always like to make little excuses and combine them with something like I love you and put your arm around. Make everything subtle and keep pushing till she is obviously uncomfortable. Most girls with try to touch you back. Remember the push pull but always be kinoing.

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    Default Re: Need help on kino and IOI on cute girl

    Oh and smiling is freakin important. Your having fun with her, not awkwardly trying to touch her. Tie kino in your conversations and jokes. Its flirting not just pointless touching. The point of kino is to set your frame. A frame showing the girl your not afraid of touching and that she can get comfortable with touching knowing that you are comfortable. Keep pushing those boundaries buddy!


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