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    Default Embarassing Someone for Higher Gain: Who's Right?

    I have recently finished the 50th Law, and I have come across an interesting dilemma in this reading.

    In Chapter Six, 50 Cent talks about exerting authority and power to gather people under your control and lead them. When one gets at the front of the line and governs by example of his beliefs, he becomes stronger and more respected in the eyes of his followers.

    Greene does throw out an example of exerting authority through public embarrassment. As he said, the great film director John Ford would govern his films with a ruthless attitude. He would tell the actors very little of what they should do, and if they went out of line or didn't do what he wanted them to, he would publicly humiliate them and make them an example of what happens if you oppose him. The end result was that more people wanted to be in his films, and he never lost his touch with success.

    On the other side of the aisle, I had seen a thread on here where a guy was angry about what a girl did to her. So, in an effort to punish and humiliate her, he released extremely unflattering photos of her. Although what he tried doing afterwards was bad, and this may be a bad example, I do have my thoughts on this. I've learned from here that you should never aim to humiliate a woman in public. Humiliation and embarrassment is a pure AFC move, and anyone who does it has problems. If she does anger you, the options are either a cold shoulder or a neg.

    Now that I have read Greene's example, I am now curious. What if interest is not what you are looking for? What if you are aiming to prove to others that you are not to be trifled with, that you are a strong alpha male who will not be thrown under by any simple lady? In this case, should you make an example out of her, or should you stick with the general pua philosophy and still work attraction game on her?

    In short, who is right here when it comes to improving your status? Robert Greene and 50 Cent, or the Pick-Up Artists?
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    Default Re: Embarassing Someone for Higher Gain: Who's Right?

    If a chick burns you dump her, move on, fark other bitches. Women don't get you status, status gets you women.

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    Default Re: Embarassing Someone for Higher Gain: Who's Right?

    Yeah you prove that you are strong and unaffected by being exactly that 'unaffected'. I have an example from being out clubbing last night. I wasn't really interested in game but I approached a set to help out a mate, as soon as I went I over I got told to 'fuck off'. So I looked at her went 'rude' then immediately walked up to a new set got chatting and then wandered off when I got bored. My mates were amazed by how unaffected by that rejection I was and that I just walked away and found a new set.

    I could have sat there and ripped into her about why she had barely any clothes on, was orange, had fake eyelashes and more make up than a horror movie actor, however anyone who saw that would have looked at me as being a total dick and the fact that she was very rude would be ignored. Walking off shows I won't put up with that sort of shit and have enough options to not have to bother

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    Hmm, very interesting Linking. It does make sense to do this. My only concern was that there is always the possibility that she will begin to talk sh1t behind my back, and then my respect and authority will decline. However, as I just read in Conquer Your Campus, there are ways to quelch such claims and making yourself stronger.

    I was also curious though in the possibility that it is someone that you know and she does it right in your face. Say it is your third time getting together, and she downright humiliates you in public. She would actually be doing a ton of damage to herself, considering everyone would view her as a bitch then.

    I guess I now understand WHY humiliation is a bad thing for a pick-up artist, or any person for that matter, to do. It just goes along with the saying that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Ford only used humiliation because he didn't want to get swept aside as a soft director. He was extremely successful for forty years, but that was only in the workplace. Humiliation has its place firmly in any business where it is necessary to maintain efficiency, but in social life it is really a bitch move. It also doesn't look good if you try to "get even" or "take her down a notch". The best option would be to take the higher road and not deal with that stupid garbage, just leave it be and move on.

    Thanks everyone, I think I now understand this concept, and I know when to use it
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    Default Re: Embarassing Someone for Higher Gain: Who's Right?

    I'm glad you saw what I was getting at, I didn't articulate it brilliantly lol.

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