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Thread: Help! Online Dating Conversation- Having trouble number closing

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    Default Help! Online Dating Conversation- Having trouble number closing

    Having trouble with the number close. Here's the chat transcript:

    Me: Are you sure those aren't blue contacts? They look kinda fake...
    Her: Oh yes I'm sure, lol
    Me: Really? Awesome! There's so many fake and bake girls out there, the last one I talked to on here turned out to be a man.
    Her: Well that's certainly a horror story on here, haha
    Me: I can't go on this site too much, my boss will think I'm wasting time. What's your number?
    Her: Sorry, but I dont give out my number that fast. I dont care if you can only respond when you're home, nbd
    Me: You look like a party girl, very adventerous and outgoing. Where was your last vacation?
    Her: Haha, oh boy, looks like I still give off that vibe huh? I partied alot in college, not so much anymore. Last vacation was Disney World, yes I know, so lame, but I went when I was 14 with my family, so it didnt seem so lame then!
    Me: Hahaha you're cute
    Her: Well thanks lol
    Me: Well your welcome lol.
    I typically go for brunettes but I may make an exception for you
    (Update) Her: haha, I dont think you're supposed to tell me that!

    I just sent the last message a few minutes ago, she'll probably reply with something inconsequential in a few minutes. As you can see, I got denied when I asked for the number early. Where to go from here?
    Last edited by pwnyc127; 04-06-2013 at 05:02 PM. Reason: update in conversation

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    Default Re: Help! Online Dating Conversation- Having trouble number closing

    I just recently noticed this in my own stuff, and now I avoid it like the plague. You HAVE to be careful of when you say "You're welcome", because I have discovered that this response is at times the ultimate way to kill a conversation.

    There's another issue, however. Sometimes, "You're welcome" does not kill a conversation. In fact, it doesn't even disrupt the flow of it. So what's the solution to it? You have to be conscience of the flow of the conversation. If it looks like her "Thank You" is about to send the conversation straight into the ground like a kamikaze fighter into your battleship, then you gotta pull that plane up! Ignore the "You're welcome", and continue the conversation on a new tangent.

    To answer your question about why you can't number close, I have noticed this re-occurring trend now among all the newbies for quite some time. You pop the question FAR too quickly. Remember, you are on a dating website, and she hardly knows you. She isn't going to just freely give you her number. You gotta invest some time into it, get to know her and have her get to know you, THEN you can try to get her number.
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    Default Re: Help! Online Dating Conversation- Having trouble number closing

    Thanks bro.
    Update on the convo:
    Me: I do many things that I'm not supposed to....
    run away little girl
    Her: Oh you think I'm intimidated? No chanceeee

    Where should I go from here? keep playing this (stupid and pointless) game with her? Go for sexual escalation?

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    Default Re: Help! Online Dating Conversation- Having trouble number closing

    Quote Originally Posted by pwnyc127 View Post
    Thanks bro.
    Update on the convo:
    Me: I do many things that I'm not supposed to....
    run away little girl
    Her: Oh you think I'm intimidated? No chanceeee

    Where should I go from here? keep playing this (stupid and pointless) game with her? Go for sexual escalation?
    Stupid? Pointless? I see nothing stupid or pointless about this. This is just a matter of flirting, rapport building, and yes, sexual escalation. Do these and you should pretty much be set to go. If you need any other ideas, go check out http://www.puaforums.com/how-text-gi...ing-guide.html. It helps for a lot more than texting.
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    Default Re: Help! Online Dating Conversation- Having trouble number closing

    Yeah bro it seems stupid/ pointless because i'm usually very direct and get straight to the point. However talking like this does not elicit good responses from most girls, while playing with words does. So the ends justify the means.

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    Default Re: Help! Online Dating Conversation- Having trouble number closing

    Once you message women long enough, if you're doing it right they will be volunteering their number to you. I'm not saying you can't ask for it, but as you start to have that happen you will realize that you played it perfect. If they won't give the number out when you ask it should be a red flag, but don't push right away. continue to build rapport. Your goal is to meet them, not to get their number. Create a conversation that makes her say "I can't wait to hang out with this guy!"
    You want as LITTLE conversation as possible before you meet. You have to always be applying economics to your pickup game. You want to minimize the time you spend on woman in case it flops, and you want to free up time for other things. If you feel there's been sufficient rapport built that a woman should want to meet then go for it. If she is trying to take it way slow you may have a girl bent on a highly traditional low pace approach to dating and that's bad news. You can carry conversations on a LITTLE past the point you get red flags, but you're usually wasting your time with those. Focus on the girls that are being playful and not the ones turning everything into a job interview. THis particular girl seems playful and you made the move for the number sooner than I would have if you were showing the whole conversation. It's not about the length of the conversation so much as the quality. In this case you could have discussed disney some, accused her of being a princess type of girl, and then after some back and forth about that, said "You seem interesting, now I'm curious what you're like. We should hang out. What are you doing this weekend?" Or whatever. But leave texting/calling out of it if you still have rapport going. Once you nail down the meeting, then the number isn't such a big deal anymore, because it feels like you're past that. You follow?

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    Default Re: Help! Online Dating Conversation- Having trouble number closing

    You're pushing to early...

    A lot of people will say that you should be able to close within X amount of messages. This is not the case.

    You need to learn when you have developed enough attraction to be able to number close. Once the attraction is there you don't need a special trick to get the number, she'll want to give it to you.

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    Default Re: Help! Online Dating Conversation- Having trouble number closing

    There's no exact rule for how many messages to send/receive before going for the number.
    You have to take it on a case by case basis.

    BUT... getting the number shouldn't be that difficult.

    Here's the way I had incredible results getting the number:
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