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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    your last text was a pure statement.if you have asked a question or posed a statement that was not dominant then i won't call her.But you didn't.
    Like i said she has a huge ego like yours.would you reply that.

    The bridge in this case is every road down attraction theres something you must do to get to the next.Say to meet and girl you like and she likes you she may be thinking of kissing you then sleeping with you.As a pua you are supposed to escalate and then decide based on the two of ,you first you where to take the relationship.

    Right now as a dominant man you can see the fact that you haven't kissed her as a bridge.

    Also, I think the high five would be a no go with an introvert/ironic brat such as her Would using the cube/jewelry/hair equivalent routine before this "lube" things up?
    The hi fives works on introverted girls but i don't know about brats.Even now you are living your character with her sort of.

    If you haven't tried the cube go for that one if it makes you comfortable, but make sure you try it when you are sitting down next to each other.escalate!!

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    I skimmed through this thread. So excuse me if i miss something.

    It sounds like YOU are placing barriers or restrictions on yourself. Stop second guessing. She is responding (that discipline line didnt get a response maybe cause she went to sleep? She said so didnt she?). She is touching u. Notice that u neg and she touches. Dude! She is letting you have control. When u tease her, it tells her that you are superior. You can "tame her." Keep giving her small validations and put up with her tests.

    She may not initiate with u because she is letting u lead. Shes down. SO GO AHEAD. RUN WITH IT! Dont keep analyzing. Dont worry if your "feelings" will he hurt if she rejects u. There are more awesome chicks out there believe me. The signs are there. Keep escalating in person. Texting is fine but you are kind of ready to pass that point.

    Man i like girls like this. I wish i could meet her. She would totally be great if she is also, as u say, an 8.5. Have fun!
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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    I will go for it tomorrow. Till then, here are some other things I remembered/realized today that got me thinking and maybe you will help me decipher them:

    - a while back, before going home I suggested watching a movie (dumb, I know. w/e) and her first reaction was along the lines of: "erm, but at a cinema..." to which I replyed slyly: "where else?" I wonder why she felt the need to say that.

    - @LockDown: she always seemed kind of reserved in her physical interaction with me after negging. And, as I said, she does touch me but not everytime I neg her. One time we both stopped to pet a dog she started petting it on the top of its head and when I reached out for ROUGHLY same spot, she quickly pulled her hand away.

    This is why I was a bit reluctant to escalate earlier. I thought: maybe she is scared, maybe she has weird issues (I would need to bulldoze past), maybe she's not attracted to/doesn't trust me enough (yet).

    If this changes the situation, let me know

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    I put this here in case it's the last one in the topic.

    Texting update:

    Me(22:44): Yo spider-man, still watching dirty hbo shows instead of choosing tmnt's superiority? *thanks, Devil_dog*
    Her(22:57): I wouldn't say anything If I were you. You're watching spartacus! Yesterday I watched calif(ornication) and yes, it's the worst season, it broke my dreams. Oh, and I watched tabu, it was a a thing which might interest you
    Me(23:35): Little lover of tv shows (i find it impossible to translate this :P), whichever way you look at things, the first 2 seasons of spartacus were perfect. And Tabu was added to the list. Nobody is denying the awful state of calif though. What are you doing tomorrow evening? I know a place where you can put dreams back together with superglue
    Her(00:27): I have no plans tomorrow evening, evening not night. Surprise me, I don't know why I'm feeling skeptical

    Brat. So that's that, I'll see her tomorrow. I went scouting today and have planned a combo evening of 1.tea house (tea, cookies, slow moody music and suspended beds) and 2. a walk in the dark after hours in a botanical garden. Fark, after her last reply I feel she doesn't deserve all this. Have you ever had the feeling a girl was going out with you just to have an "alternative" good time she would otherwise would be able to think of on her own?

    Note: I took her to some other tea house 2&1/2 months ago but back then I felt it was too soon to escalate.

    Guys, opinions, suggestions?
    Last edited by Roadhouse; 04-10-2013 at 05:15 PM. Reason: additional info

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Woah man con grates on the text game.you got her trying to prove herself you which was good.

    Even now you are getting indicators of interest.No matter what even if she doesn't like you and she comes on a date with you that in itself is a window!!

    I think your problem now is you may be nervous at escalation since you are okay with setting up dates and having a fun based interaction.your girl at least doesn't mind moving things forward.

    What are you doing tomorrow evening? I know a place where you can put dreams back together with superglue(note the bolded words on this line)

    I have no plans tomorrow evening, evening not night(mostly likely proving to you that she is a cool girl high ioi). Surprise me, I don't know why I'm feeling skeptical(note this too)

    move this forward. what you said was deep and her reply was subliminal in a way especially the part where she said suprise me.Sometimes a girls words or choice of words are a clue.

    At this point i can't stress it enough but i'll tell you this start touching her early on the date(a meetup between people).Hold her hand when crossing the street.place your hand on her lower back to guide her.Think kino!!

    Lightly brush her arm when you are making a point.All this build anticipation towards the kiss.
    Then you may do the cube and close.

    An alternative is whilst you are walking(prefer the walk in the night its less pressure )hold her hand for a bit and then let go hold her hand then let go.you should have start touching her as indicated, then on the date after the cube make sure (this is key)you are in close proximity but not invading others personal space)then kiss.you may update this thread

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Thanks for the thorough reply, HardRock. I will definitely follow your guide. I do, however, have my own interpretation of the "evening, evening not night" bit. I think she might think I am a player (which I am not, actually ) and would like to spend the night with her. I'm saying this also because of the "erm, but at a cinema..." i mentioned in my previous reply which sounded more like her signaling she was against the idea of her coming to my place for a movie. In either case I will escalate. There is no other option at this point.

    This confused me: "whilst you are walking(prefer the walk in the night [..] then on the date after the cube make sure (this is key) you are in close proximity but not invading others personal space)then kiss." I get that maybe English is not your native language and that's cool, it's not my first language either I'd like to understand what you mean by it.

    I will only be able to run the cube in the teahouse and kino there before going for a walk in the dark. So that will be the sequence of events. I think my chances of k-closing will be higher during the walk after hand touching or on a bench because there will be less pressure as you said. If, however, I'll get strong signals at the teahouse and it will be empty and moody enough for k-closing there, I will give it a shot right then.

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Again, please keep the over analyzing to a minimum.

    Just go with her, escalate (i promise she will not pull back from physical stuff you have already done) and have a goal in mind of kissing her.

    If your nervous about escalation, use excuses to touch her... you want to look at her nails, you like her hair, stockings etc...
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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Wanted to break it down so a homie understands ya know.woah you're outta line.i speak just english.

    Yep the walk in the dark is less pressure, but i was giving you an alternative if you decided to kiss on the date.However its best to keep an open mind like you have and go for it!!Goodluck

    N.B.Kino starts from initial contact.You may brush her arm lightly when you see her.

    I do, however, have my own interpretation of the "evening, evening not night" bit. I think she might think I am a player (which I am not, actually ) and would like to spend the
    night with her.
    Hmm,don't get suck into the notion that a woman may think your a player.lets focus on moving forward.This will prevent you from trying to prove otherwise when building comfort.Nice cold read.But her words are clue though.

    sometimes not keeping an open mind and preparing properly with the right mindset and options may set you up for failure, especially if you like the girl.On some level i agree with that but there was a hurdle here.We had to work together.

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    K-Closed. Thanks guys.

    So it begins. She continues to be a brat :P It must be her style. I'll push for an F-Close but I have a feeling it'll take a while with her temperament and inexperience. I'll continue to read the forums but if you have some awesome tips, please, insert links here

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Very nice! Applause sounds lol!
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