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    Post Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Hi, guys. This is my first post on these forums but please, don't be gentle. This will be long, I think, as I want to be thorough. Sigh, here goes:

    I met this HB8.5 (X) almost 2 years ago when I was 25 while trying an opener I made up on the spot to impress a non-believer guy friend I got her IM and some time later I chatted her up and went for a walk together. It was some time ago but I remember even back then she seemed half kid, half smart girl I would love to get to know better. I also remember that she said she would have gone straight home if I hadn't called around the time we were supposed to meet, which pissed me off immensely back then. Later I realized she got cold feet but I "saved it" :\

    So we had a nice evening walking, talking, jumping some fences into restricted areas and even though the age difference was making it difficult for me to find common topics of conversation, I got the vibe that she was a bit adventurous, which is very important to me. Kiss on the cheek, a movie some days later, then I got busy with work and since she was very young, I left it alone.

    Back then I was kinda "not sure if want" about her and since later I became involved with this other girl (Y) for about a year, me and X would just met up occasionally to go biking around the city and to the cinema and text occasionally. She would sometimes sh1ttest me, I would deflect and neg but I wouldn't allow my self to go further. In a way I was glad to not have to deal with her, as she was becoming a bit bratty.

    Since I ended the thing with Y, though, I decided to give X another shot. She was older and I was free. We started texting and seeing each other more often in more conversation friendly environments so I could work to build both on both comfort and attraction. She is cool and I like her.

    BUT. At 19, I have to say she has become one mean sh1ttesting machine. Admirable decency mixed with brat level nuisance. Her "attacks" are so raw I would find them more appropriate for kid. I kinda dig it. I also have to admit that her brute force made me stall a couple of times as I was in awe of just how randomly brutal she can be. Respect. This also made me want to crack this nut. Aand I get the feeling that she hasn't had a serious relationship yet. Aaand she might be a virgin. It's all connected maaan.

    Because of this, I'm not sure how to tackle her without scaring her away. Yesterday, though, I decided enough's enough and I would cut the crap/probe her kinkiness. During the last texting session, as her her replies escalated in speed and brattiness, I finally pushed it.

    Me(23:31): I'm watching it right now. See, waking up early works wonders
    Her(23:46): Not really, I'm way past my bed time and tomorrow will be tough. If I were you I would have added that useless thing:
    Me(23:48): Shh I'm watching the show
    Her(23:53): I would have been worried if you were watching tnmt. Then, with a ton of concentration, you would have understood a bit of what was going on
    Me(23:54): Hmm just look at all the torture devices that could be used on you
    Her(00:01): Ooh, how cute! You understand moving pictures
    Me(00:03): Ooh, you will be disciplined

    She hasn't replied since

    Reading the reply exchange now, it doesn't seem I pushed it too far. But maybe I did. I WAS watching the show and texting at the same time.

    And here is where I need your help. I can't decipher her intentions and I want to know what my next move should be at this point. I feel I made a big mistake by relying too much on the fact that she always seemed a bit into me and not pushed faster/harder from the start. But, as I said, I want to crack this nut.

    Oh yeah, about me: tall, dark, fit & rugged. Some girls recently told me I look 23

    Thanks for reading these bricks.

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Hard to say what her intentions are just off of that. She is flirting back though which is a good sign. Seems like you can only find out by trying to escalate though.

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Yeah. I'm however in a rut because lately she was quick to agree to whatever activity I would suggest and reply to my texts but not initiate them. She seems on the defensive like like a turtle with machine guns So for me to initiate again after her non-reaction seems a bit beta.

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Thats exciting, I can't honestly say I've been shit tested that hard. Keep farking with her. lol shh im watching. Make fun of how she acts so mature she cant watch tmnt. Mutant ninja turtles is better than watching dirty movies on hbo

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    woah man why did you tell her she will be disciplined .She doesn't have a problem with you but a girl with a huge ego like her won't reply to that.After all you seem to have thought her well.

    Sometimes too much neging and teasing can make a girl on guard and put these defensive walls up.am sure some of your words may have hurt her and unconsciously she has got this frame that you will never get through her like that.So when she spouts negs to you like that in her mind she has won and this prevents her from feeling future or current pain.

    FACT:Negs if not delivered properly can be termed as insults.to a girl who likes you.


    Teasing may not be a bad thing but too much of it is bad.Man what about about escalation.push your relation with this girl forward before she finds a man who can be all theses things and do what what you could have done but didn't do.cuz obviously you like her.

    you should aim to bring the best out in this girl you seem to have a connection.escalatio n would be great!!!

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    @Devil_dog: yes it is exciting. it is also getting old. Thank you for the text suggestions. It's along the lines of what I usually come up with.

    @monoposto, HardRock: I agree that escalation is required. Because of her ego though, I' not sure how to go about it. I complimented her when she deserved it, not too much. I feel she has a tougher skin that it seems. Anyway, that's not the issue now. The issue is physical escalation and how to get over her barriers.

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    The issue is physical escalation and how to get over her barriers.

    Your relation may be stalling out.you need kiss her at least.Switch the dynamics it always add something new.
    With this just check after running game or have a great time or in the process of having a good time is she looking at your lips or laughing at your jokes,touching your arm etc.then move a bit closer to her then kiss make sure you are not far away from her though.just stand in a way closer to her that doesn't invade her space but is at the same time comfortable.

    there are no barriers if she hasn't rejected your advances.focus on moving forward.

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Must/Can I go back to the basics of neg-DHV-push-pull-kino or is another sequence like a SLOW BURN more suitable for this situation? I'd also like an opinion on buzzing her later vs. sooner. I am busy these days with work, hobbies and getting back into summer shape

    But my thoughs drift away to closing this fairly often at the moment and I don't like it as I feel it gets in the way of everything. I'm beginning to care too much about this and I fear it wil fark up escalation. When I don't care (almost never) I'm having an easy enough time going plowing through.

    @HardRock: She is laughing at my jokes, she is looking at my lips. She touches my arm but only sometimes after negging so I'm not sure if it's because she's shy or something else is lacking. Next time I see her I will escalate and make my move regardless. Sigh, this as an extremely thin line I'm walking on.

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadhouse View Post
    Must/Can I go back to the basics of neg-DHV-push-pull-kino or is another sequence more suitable for this situation? I'd also like an opinion on buzzing her later vs. sooner. I am busy these days with work, hobbies and getting back into summer shape

    But my thoughs drift away to closing this fairly often at the moment and I don't like it as I feel it gets in the way of everything. I'm beginning to care too much about this and I fear it wil fark up escalation. When I don't care (almost never) I'm having an easy enough time going plowing through. Thanks
    Nope.Neg push pull are all ways for the girl to get attracted you.from what you said she seems to be attracted already.swap it out for now.push pull is also good for increasing attraction but this is a huge bridge.

    Hit her up and ask her out i assume you know that already then run game a dhv story that portrays one of your attractive qualities will do. Then tell her this

    Theres something am not sure of about you.even though you're a generally fun person and have been nice to me..do you like xyz? usually some movie would do or say self improvement.

    woah thats really cool..(high five her)if she squeezes your hand pull her in and kiss her.you want to make sure you are not standing too far from her when this happens like i said stand close enough but don't invade her personal space.

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    Default Re: Stuck with 19yo hb8.5

    Hmm, what do you mean by huge bridge?

    I'm wondering if the change in attitude could translate to calling vs. texting. Now that I wrote this down, calling seems pretty AFC

    After she didn't reply to my "disciplined" text is ignoring that whole thing the best idea or could I use it somehow to my favour?

    Also, I think the high five would be a no go with an introvert/ironic brat such as her Would using the cube/jewelry/hair equivalent routine before this "lube" things up?


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