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    Default Failure in number closing

    Hi guys,

    I have been doing day game (90% direct) for around two months now. I've had a bit of success (have been dating a girl since 5 weeks ago!) etc. However, comparing the the number of approaches that I do my success rate is not impressive. (in the past 20 to 30 approaches I only got three numbers!)

    I have read many posts and field reports here and have tried to fix my issues but yet I usually fail to number close. I know it's hard to tell without seeing how I approach but I want you to use your experience and guess what can be the issue?

    This is what I do :

    I find a girl who is walking. I am more comfortable with a solo girl rather than a group. I know it's better and way easier to approach from the front but I usually approach from behind which makes the approach kind of awkward.

    I then say "Excuse me.. Hi.. I saw you in xxx and I would be kicking myself for the whole day if I did not come up to you and introduce myself because you are absolutely attractive... my name is xxx". Then I try to get a hook! I try to maintain a good body language and have a good tonality.

    90% of the times that I fail girls say they have a boyfriend and 10% just don't stop or say they have to go.

    My question is that :

    1- Do you see anything wrong with the opener? Basically does it matter what I say?
    2- What can be the issue here? Why do girls get excited when I approach but then avoid giving a number?
    3- I find approaching from the front a lot easier but I don't know what to say. I mean if I approach from the behind I can tell them that I saw them a second a go but if I approach from the front what can I say? I can't say I saw you in a fraction of second a go and I loved you ...

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    Default Re: Failure in number closing

    sounds like my problems are too serious that nobody on this forum is able to help! or people are just too lazy to help?!

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    Default Re: Failure in number closing

    Im here for you. I love you dont worry. lol
    Have you really been using that ONE opener? Be more dynamic. Try a day of indirect a day of direct. Try different tonalities and angle of approach. Let them pass and catch up. Run after a few. Stop walking as you make eye contact and see if you can stop her in her tracks with a smile. Remember to smile its good and friendly. Find out about who she is and let her know you just wanted to find out. My go to is hey, your cute I just had to say hi. Doesnt always work so I force myself to do indirect. I have trouble stopping girls all the time but I get better as I try new things. Dont limit yourself to one way or even one type of girl. Get moving sets, two sets, groups, girls with guyfriends. Bitchy looking girls and even girls who dont attract you. Get back in the field and keep approaching. The field will solve your problem. You just came on here for a little validation and motivation thats perfectly fine. Get more girls bro!
    What you need will not come quickly. WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS WHAT YOU FEAR. Take comfort that what you seek is there. But you will NEVER have it if you keep being a p$ssy.

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    Default Re: Failure in number closing

    Also don't go in for the number, you need to be outcome independent. You dont even know these girls, find out why YOU should have THEIR number and tell them the reason why you want it.
    What you need will not come quickly. WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS WHAT YOU FEAR. Take comfort that what you seek is there. But you will NEVER have it if you keep being a p$ssy.

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    Default Re: Failure in number closing

    Yea, as Devil said, you need to be more dynamic. You severely lack naturality by restricting yourself to a single routine. Learn to get out of your comfort zone and be the social type. Women are generally good at picking up social cues because that is how they have survived for the past 5,000 years. They can smell a machine like you from a mile away.

    I would have to disagree though with not stopping a woman. If you watch a lot of the pua videos on Youtube, all the women who are walking are stopped by the pua. There's nothing wrong with stopping a woman that is walking on by to chat with her and hit on her.

    By the way, I am extremely curious. If you have been dating a girl now for 5 weeks, why in the world are you worried about number closing other women?
    "There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time." - Malcolm X

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    Default Re: Failure in number closing

    I have experience with both direct and indirect and think I should weigh in here on this

    Direct means you are opening a lot of girls...and closing a few
    In indirect, you open less...but will experience a great close rate...however not all the women you close will be down to fark...however you will find them becoming part of your social network which is conducive to meeting more women...
    So you are looking at a lot of sacrifice with direct...sacrifice of your time, and energy...opening sometimes dozens of women before you finally close with one...when going indirect you could number close a huge percent of the women you open.

    You are right to not go direct with women in a group becuase that puts them on the spot.

    Anyways I see the problems you have. Allow me to address your questions now:

    1- yes, your opener is not good. And yes, it matters what you say. DO NOT say that youd be kicking yourself all day if you didnt approach. Thats just not good. Do not say they are absolutely attractive. Your going way overboard with the things you are saying man.
    2- They get excited because you are approaching confidently, which is exciting and engaging for them. Its what they want. But then what you say is of absolutely no value to them, so they have second thoughts and cannot give you their number.
    3- If you approach from the front it is easier cause they will see you, but you still run the risk of scaring them. Approaching from behind, touch them on the elbow and come around as they look at you. Then tell them you noticed what they were wearing. Do not compliment their physical attractiveness. Women want to get you based on non-physical qualities. This does include their ability to put together a fashionable outfit, so if you are going to compliment them, compliment their clothes

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    Default Re: Failure in number closing

    Thanks SexualSorcerer333,
    So what opener do you suggest? This one was given to me by a guy who trained me a bit. He does use it and gets numbers after numbers.

    Do you suggest me to gain more skilled in indirect approach? My issue with indirect approach is always now knowing what to say to open. And of course what to say to close?

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    Default Re: Failure in number closing

    Quote Originally Posted by aussiearef View Post
    So what opener do you suggest? This one was given to me by a guy who trained me a bit. He does use it and gets numbers after numbers.
    Use the one that is the most comfortable for you. You have got to snap out of this technical mindset you are in. No opener works in ever situation, and not every opener is going to work for every person. I don't even have a specific opener that I use. All I do is just fire up a conversation using any of the elements around me.

    Quote Originally Posted by aussiearef View Post
    Do you suggest me to gain more skilled in indirect approach? My issue with indirect approach is always now knowing what to say to open. And of course what to say to close?
    As I said before, do what is comfortable to you. Some guys like inderect. Others like direct. Even though you are having issues with indirect approaching, that doesn't make it impossible for you to do it. It's just a matter of working out the kinks to make it the best you can make it.

    In the end, as I have said before, learn to have some naturality. It can work miracles for you when you don't have to worry about every single thing you are going to say. Go to the search bar and start searching around on the forums for info on how to use thing. You won't beleve how many threads there are on the topic.
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