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    Default Need help with transitioning from openers to convo

    So I met this HB yesterday at Barnes and nobles, so me currently reading Neil Strauss book- the game- I couldn't help but to put the little knowledge I got from this book into practice, so I follow the 3 second rule then ran the " Maury Povich" opener on her.
    She seemed pretty interested in the debate but I the same time I had problem phase shifting and escalating proper in order to get her number... Any suggestion for future references would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot

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    Default Re: Need help with transitioning from openers to convo

    How did the maury povich debate end? Did one of you cut it off or did it fizzle out?

    Quick tip - Don't give any conversation a chance to fizzle out. Cut it off before that happens, if it runs the risk.

    What was said between the two of you next? Any chance of a rough convo dialogue? Maybe then I can give you an example of something that would have seemed natural.

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    Default Re: Need help with transitioning from openers to convo

    Actually I cut it off with a number close this is how it went:
    Me: "running the Maury Povich opener"
    HB: I don't know how to feel about this because I'm a very shy person, and I wouldn't like my business being put out on national tv like that *smiling*
    Me: I understand that but even shy people can be adventurous
    HB: yes but... Blah blah blah
    Me: I agree with you but I'll send my friend to the show anyway so I can sit home with my popcorn on the side and watch him suffer lol
    HB: *smile* that's not cool

    Then I tried to phase shift or transition, but it wasn't that smooth as I wanted it to be.

    Me: what you reading
    HB: doing my homework,

    Hb is studying fashion in a private college in my area
    Me: * played it of like I've never heard of the school before*
    HB: *trying to explain where is her school located at*
    Me: well thanks for your opinion and I'll try to pass it along to my friend to help him make a decision on whether he should go on the show or not, but I'll tell you what put your number in my phone so you can be the first one to know.
    HB: *smile* okay

    That's how I number closed HB, then I put my number in her phone and saved it under "new BFF" and she laughed when she saw that.
    Plus during the convo HB was the first to ask for my name and what school I go to; I don't know if these were IOIs or not.
    Still learning the game and try to improve myself so feel free to pinpoint my mistakes so I can do better next time. Thanks a lot to all of y'all.

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    Default Re: Need help with transitioning from openers to convo

    Firstly, you got the number so good for you. I'm not sure if you know about this but instead of putting your number into her phone, just call her phone and say "now you have mine, too!" She thinks you're giving her your number, you're actually making sure she didn't give you a fake. It's handy.

    But you want to be able to transition smoother than this, which I think is commendable. The way I would have done it isn't the way everyone would have done it, but I'll shed some light on how that would be.

    When I approach women I'm usually quite quirky funny with my conversation, so if I saw her sat down doing homework or something similar I would have brought it into conversation something a little like this...

    me -"Sorry, I can see that you're reading something, I didn't mean to interrupt, but you couldn't have been into it that much, I mean, you pretty much jumped at the distraction.. (teasing smile)"

    She would elaborate on the reading material no doubt, if not ask something about it unless she trailed off into another conversation that could be hooked on...

    me -"Oh right, fashion? Well...." (this next bit for me would work quite well delivered correctly as I have a hideously garish dress sense most of the time) "...I know just about everything there is to know about that, in fact is that...." (look at the book playfully) "...yeah,that's the one I wrote!" (it's all about the body language, the smile and the tone of voice...)

    Her response, something mixed in a laugh and probably a little dismissive.

    me -"So, you know... I don't usually do this but I'd be happy to help you study, any fashion student's lucky to have a friend like me..." (still teasing cheeky smiles etc) "...we could meet in some crowded bar, I could help you study for at least five minutes until we give up, get lost in chat and laughter, fall madly in love..."(trailing off flirtatiously) (say that the wrong way and you're done for, say it the right way and she'll blush and giggle, but more importantly, she knows you're using the studies as a joke to ask her on a date)

    I would go down that sort of road. That way not only will you get her number but you could actually say something like;

    me - "Ok, so how about tonight? We could meet at this spot say... seven thirty?" you're in. It will never go exactly like that, but it'd probably end the same way, especially seeing as you managed to get her number, she was interested.

    The benefit of my approach is you're not left fretting around text game. you got her number BUT you also got a date.

    Is that any good to you? Like I said my style isn't everyone's, I'm very jokey and playful, and throw a lot of flirtatious remarks in the mix. But that's because I like to be very upfront about why I'm talking to said person. Hope it helps.
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    Default Re: Need help with transitioning from openers to convo

    Come to think of it, I used that exact structure on two oriental girls just last week. But my approach was direct. It went like this...

    me - Ran up to them from behind, stepped out beside them "Hey, how are you?"

    them - Smiling a little uncertain, continuing to walk along "Fine, thanks."

    me - Stand there for a moment to let them get away, then make the same approach but stopping a little infront of them this time "So, I was just sat there having lunch with my friend, I looked up and these two stunning girls walked past, so I had to go and meet them. How are you?"

    them - stopped, laughing "Aww, thank you. we're good"

    me - took off my sunglasses to look in their eyes, "Awesome. So what's going on today? are you up to much?"

    them - "No we're just shopping and enjoying the sunshine."

    me - pointing at one of them, "I can see, you have an incredible tan.." smiling, lively.

    one - "Oh, thank you.. but I prefer pale skin to be honest.."

    me - rolls up my sleeves to reveal my white arms with cheeky grin, "Yes! I'm in!" with a wink.

    Them - both giggling now, looking less insecure.

    me - "SO where are you from?"

    one - "I'm from thailand."

    two - "I'm from japan!"

    both - look at each other, some indescipherable language then one speaks up "well, we should get going now."

    me - "Oh, so soon? But we were just getting to know eachother..." teasing.. "maybe we could do this again some time?"

    one - "Sorry, we're not in the country for very long so we probably can't..."

    me - completely disregarding them stating they have to leave "SO what are you doing here in england?"

    them - "We're studying English in school."

    me - "Ah, so what you need is a tutor that's gonna help you pass your exams..."

    them - laughing "well, we have lots of exams so we probably don't have time..." (notice how all of a sudden they're not in england for such a short time, this developes)

    Me - "Aww, that's a shame. So, you two seem like really good friends, have you known eachother for long or just since you got here?"

    them - Drawn back into the conversation "No, we met here inschool.

    one - "Do you do this alot? talking to women on the street?"

    me - "well, not usually..." Starting to look into the distance, like I'm having a flashback, with a hint of a teasing smile... "there was this one time.. I was happilly eating my lunch, and I saw these two girls walk past, and I couldn't eat anymore..." (they start laughing pretty hard now) "...and I just knew... I have to meet these girls, so I ran as fast as I can... Honestly, I literally ran to meet you... I mean them...." (shifty eyes playfully) "...but then they turned me away..."

    them - "awww, no we didn't...."

    me - "Ok, look, here's the deal..." turning to address one, "If I was studying taiwanese, it would be awesome to have a taiwanese friend, who spoke fluently taiwanese.." (puting blatant emphasis on each "taiwanese", almost shouting it...) "..then me and my taiwanese girl could go to the bar, study all night, she'd help me pass her exams.... Can you see where I'm going with this?"

    them - giggling, more sincere smiles now, I knew I had won them over now, and all of a sudden their schedules changed the next time I asked...

    me - "So, why don't the three of us meet up one night, we can go to a bar, I can tell you all the english you need to know, then we can drink, chat, we'll all fall madly in love, it'll be beautiful..." (miming wiping a tear from my eye)

    them - looking at eachother.

    two - "That could work."

    one - "yeah that sounds nice."

    me - "and then you can thank me with sex once you pass." (it's bold but I said it in such a tone it could only be taken as a flirtatious joke.) "So how do I contact you?" (if I didn't have dates every night that week... exhausting week, I would have set a time and place then and there.)

    one - hands me her phone with her number displayed within her contacts.

    me - Writing her number down. "Oh excellent, I'll take all your friend's numbers, too. Are they all as hot as you?"

    one - laughing, "you can have their numbers if you like!" starting to return my jokes.

    me - "Ok, I'll let you carry on with your shopping now. And I'll see you soon. Show me some love.." (opening my arms for hugs.)

    we all hugged and parted ways.

    So, you see I used the joke about helping them study and then falling madly in love (I say that a lot in my approaches) and it's a really playful thing to do, it makes them laugh at the same time as asking them out on a date. I know the opener was completely different, I'm much more direct nower days but I just find that more natural for me. But the later conversation could work in the situation you were in.
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    Default Re: Need help with transitioning from openers to convo

    wow, seems like direct is the new way to go!!!
    i need you to analyze this texting thing because i definitely don't get it, i might be doing something wrong.
    P.S: its with the same HB as mentioned above.

    Me- hey there mrs fashionista :-)
    HB- hey hows it going
    Me- now i get why you were studying so hard, i saw your show in the newspaper today!!!

    thats it she didn't text back since then... and i'm not trying to be pushy or anything so i just let it die too, but this has happened to me quiet a lot these days and it is getting frustracting!!!
    what advice do ya'll have for me if any?

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    Default Re: Need help with transitioning from openers to convo

    I'm going to simplify this for you and make it a lot less specific and more general than the other people, so that it will be easy for you to apply.

    This is where transitioners come into play. A basic routine is as follows:

    1.) Open
    2.) Transition
    3.) Flirt
    4.) Build Rapport
    5.) Close

    So what you want to do is this:

    1.) Open with your opinion opener, whatever it may be. I have ones that I prefer, you will have ones you prefer. Start with the classics, like who lies more, men or women?
    2.) Transition based on their answer. The easiest way is to say "Oh wow so you seem very X"
    3.) Flirt - the easiest way is to say "Oh so your one of those!" and make jokes and tease her
    4.) Build rapport - The easiest way to do this is to say "wow so you seem like you might be cool, whats your story?"
    5.) The conversation will usually have its own accord and volition from there, and then you can eventually close.

    Notice how powerful simple cold reading techniques are. With study and practice and the right methods (such as keeping things simple and easy to apply to a variety of situations) you will go far.


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