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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Hmm, either you are an avid bookwork, or your skills as a pua have already been thoroughly developed. I wonder which of the two it is

    So I got a question for you then, Zeus. How short should a public interaction be in a first conversation in order to solidify a number close? In addition, how should that first conversation be opperated, in your opinion?
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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Okay Wolf, to your question -
    A big part of the game is being able to hold psychologically strong in the mind throughout the whole time and keep confident. You need to get it fixated in your mind that you are the prize and the person everyone wants. When a girl tells me she has a boyfriend i get into the habit of saying to myself in my mind "why the hell are you with your boyfriend when im standing here right in front of you". Not only does this allow me to keep my cool, but it also keeps me on track of the game to hand and then triggers the next gear in my mind which is how badly do i want this girl - if she is super hot, then i pull out some boyfriend destroyer routines, if she is a standard chick then i either eject from her, or use her as a pivot to any hot friend she has/to demonstrate my high social status to other if im in a bar/club.
    Try and feel as comfortable as possible with the girl, like you would if she were your best friend, then you wont get so thrown when she says she has a boyfriend. All it comes down to is a psychological battle, and with practise you'll eventually learn how to control it and use it to your advantage! Even though you may think you act unaffected, chances are your body language changes when a girl tells you she has a bf so try and focus on your body language, and hopefully that might take your mind off that she has a boyfriend. Remember almost 80% of your conversation in done non-verbally and this is one thing that ruins guys game with girls, because they are good at seeing right through it. Adopt the 'cocky' style, stand up tall with good posture, relax and seem confident, always keep eye contact etc.

    Hope this helps you out a bit man

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus101 View Post
    "why the hell are you with your boyfriend when im standing here right in front of you".
    ^ This is so going to be my mental state when gaming chicks with bfs.

    Gotta keep sargin'!

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    It's about who I am. Do it right here, right now.

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus101 View Post
    Ahh okay, got a bit confused sorry! Yeah wait till the weekend then and then go meet her. Dont go straight to her when you go out though. Work the social atmosphere a bit and make your presence known.

    to your next question:

    conversation seems to be flowing well at first, noticed that she mentioned about work being emotionally draining - could have played with that a bit more - getting a girl to talk/thing about all sorts of emotions like happiness, sadness, anger, arousal etc. has a very psychological affect on their mind and makes them more intimate with you. You could have suggested getting coffee after work to de-stress and chill.

    I know its easy to keep a conversation going with simple chat, but its the same as what every other guy does and its boring! A lot of this convo was about work etc and studying - and she already told you that work can be draining, so by talking about it you are just bringing thoughts of that back up with her again!

    There are games such as cold readings , The cube and others, which you could use in conversation, to find out a little more about her on a personal level, tap into her emotions and also keep the conversation fun. Was this chat with her recent or a while ago? if it was recent then dont dwell on it, give her time and meanwhile practise your game on other girls - only way you'll get better.

    -Zeus
    I'll be out with my mates so I'll probably text her at some point saying 'Hi, I'm in ... meet me in 30 mins' or something? Although it will be her friends Bday so she might not be willing to leave her so I might come up and first of all go to the Bday girl give hugs and wish a happy bday then go to the target.

    yeah I always thought I've been analysing too much but seems like I missed the important feedback from here which kind of farked up the rest. Does the cube work in a chat as well?

    Thanks Man

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Quote Originally Posted by Swagman View Post
    Hmm, either you are an avid bookwork, or your skills as a pua have already been thoroughly developed. I wonder which of the two it is

    So I got a question for you then, Zeus. How short should a public interaction be in a first conversation in order to solidify a number close? In addition, how should that first conversation be opperated, in your opinion?
    Well im a very logical person, i believe heavily in theory so when i came across this whole PUA game a few years ago, i spent a while reading up on all the theory first and then of course going out into the field to gain real life experience and better my knowledge and understanding! Learning something new with each sarge though..

    A very interesting question you have given me here so ive prepared hopefully an interesting and informative response for you!

    One great rule as told by Mystery was that you dont start trying to pick up a girl as soon as you start talking to her, you wait at least 8 mintues before you start hitting on her. And that it takes approx 7 hours to have built enough comfort to f-close.
    These are thoughts to bear in mind - but they are not law. The art of pick up is also the art of persuasion, its how well and how fast you can persuade women minds to fall in love with you and men to be jealous of you. When getting a phone number, i find it easiest to act like you dont want it. Dont work your game around trying to getting it, because she will pick that vibe up and be more reluctant to give it. If you come off as not seeming desperate, then ask for it at the end of a convo as an add-on, you are more likely to get it. Putting a time restraint on the conversation is a good way to get a number, as when it comes to the time you have to go, it shows that you could potentially have a lot more interesting thing to say however you cant because you have to go, so she is going to be curious to find out more about you and therefore be more likely to give it. However if your conversation starts to die down and you then decide to eject but ask for her number, she is going to feel like you have nothing more interesting to offer so are not worth it.

    You want to ask her for her number at the time of the conversation when her emotions are at a stage where she is most likely to give it.
    There is such a thing called an emotional arc that women go through when starting a conversation:
    • Meet (you're strangers; she's unsure about you)
    • Introductions (if your opener is effective, she's interested instantly)
    • DHV (starts to get attracted to you and feels excitement)
    • Rapport (she's feels the emotional connection between you)
    • Escalate (you move her or move things forward)


    The point on this emotional arc that has been proven to be most successful and number closing in studies is between the DHV and Rapport stage. Its the point at when her adrenaline levels and emotions are at their highest. This has no set time period but in my personal opinion, around 15 minutes into the conversation is where its most successful. Although it takes different girls different lengths to build their emotional level however things to look for to get signs on this are:

    • She seems comfortable around you
    • The two of you are "vibing" - e.g., conversation is happening easily
    • She's contributing to the conversation, telling you things about herself, and asking questions
    • You hit a peak within the emotional high period - she's laughing, hitting you, or clearly having a good time in some other way


    The asking of the number itself: you have to remember, women want confident men who have done it a lot or act as if they have and that its no big deal. Dont just ask "can i have your number", and example of something you could use is something like this:

    You: [in conversation with her] ... wow, I can't believe you did that.

    Her: I know, right? Well, I didn't have much choice... she was the meanest teacher I ever had!

    You: [laughs] You don't say.

    Her: How about you, did you ever have any really nasty teachers?

    You: I did, you know what - [pause to change course] I'm probably going to have to take off soon, but I'd like to grab some food or a drink with you again sometime later this week or next. Would you like to do that?

    Her: Yes, definitely.

    You: Okay, awesome. Let me grab your phone number so we can coordinate.

    This puts her in a comfortable situation, and she is laughing and enjoying the moment, perfect!

    Now this was the information needed for a solid number close situation, e.g 9 times out of 10. Next is something special ive come across for you called the 2-minute number close if you ever want to try it.

    This is a more advanced technique than solid stuff ive gone through for getting a girl's phone number. It's going to rely a lot more on your ability to open well, convey a strong sense of presence and charisma right away, and to be confident and self-assured while running day game.

    Here is the theory:

    • You'll approach her, open her, and give your name
    • You'll explain that you really wish you had a moment to talk to her, but you're in a hurry
    • Then, you'll tell her to give you her phone number
    • Finally, you'll finish that up by qualifying the ask so she doesn't feel it's too "easy"


    And here is an example of how it works:

    Example 1:
    You: [suddenly noticing and approaching her] Excuse me... I saw you walking here, and I just had to come tell you that you have the most stunning walk I've seen all day. I'm Chase.

    Her: [a little surprised] Thank you - I'm Amelia.

    You: Amelia, great to meet you. I'm in a big hurry, and I really can't stop and chat, but I saw you and I might never see you again and you might never see me again, and I think both our lives would be the poorer for it so lets do something about it. I'll tell you what... [pause, take out your cell phone] I want you to tell me your phone number and sometime later when ive got some time i'll give you a proper call and we can talk on the phone and make sure we see each other again. Okay, let me have your phone number.

    Her: Okay - it's xxx.xxx.xxxx.

    You: Great. I'll shoot you a text later, wonderful meeting you even if it was so brief, Amelia! I'm off!

    Her: Goodbye!

    Example 2:
    "hi, im just heading off to a meeting now so literally dont have more than 1 minute spare but would love to meet you properly, how about you give me your number and ill give you a ring later so we can find out how this conversation would have gone if i didnt have a meeting"

    Im not pretending to be some master here but simply telling you theory that i work upon and put to use along with supplementation from various books, posts and articles. If this does not answer your question then let me know, if it does then enjoy!

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Ceesar -

    Text her saying you might see her there, then go over to the birthday girl first and seem cheerful and give her all the attention without noticing your target, after after a bit acknowledge her and start chatting. Dont tell her to meet you and then go over to the birthday girl if she is near, this is being too desperate to speak to her and she will see through it.
    The cube is a well known psychological game and does work yes, its a good way to find out about the more personal side to someones life.

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Another sticking point from latest sarge!
    How in the heck can I enter a set on a dance floor in a club?!?!?! Music is way too loud so openers are nearly impossible to establish and nobody wants to stop dancing to listen to you. So any solutions to this?
    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Ahh interesting question.
    A lot of guys think that just because a girl agrees to dance with you, thinks it means she want to grind up against you savagely all night - WRONG.

    When on the dancefloor, you need to at least appear to be having fun and seem confident in yourself. Girls go to clubs and dance to get attention off men, so manoeuvre yourself around the dance floor till you find an area that is more populated with women than men. Act like you own the dance floor and be almost over-confident with you dance moves and get attention from guys aswell. If a girl thinks you are the centre of attention on the dance floor guess what - she is likely to come over to you and start dancing as after all, she has come to the club for attention.

    Pay attention to who is checking you out, sometimes just making eye contact for a few seconds can be an invitation to start dancing together with a girl. If there is a group of girls checking you out, go over and dance with them a little jokingly. Sometimes i hold my hand out and bow my head slightly when im near a girl/group of girls as a funny invitation to start dancing, and its a much more different approach to that of most guys in the club - just going up behind them and start grinding..

    On a dance floor or in a club in general playing your game is a lot different at first. A lot is done non-verbally as its hard to here - body language, eye contact, movement, gestures, social status etc.

    If you end up dancing with a girl on the dance floor, you'll often find you wont even need to say anything to kiss close, just make eye contact whilst dancing, then you will generally get the vibe if its on the cards or not. Or you could ask her to come get a drink or move elsewhere quieter.

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Quote Originally Posted by AvroA View Post
    Another sticking point from latest sarge!
    How in the heck can I enter a set on a dance floor in a club?!?!?! Music is way too loud so openers are nearly impossible to establish and nobody wants to stop dancing to listen to you. So any solutions to this?
    Thanks!
    I am no master at this but usually here's what worked for me, the key is being happy, confident having a good time and good dancing skills are very useful, being a good observer and eye contact + non creepy smiles at girls . Most of the time you can tell by just looking at girls which one is having fun and which would want to dance with you. Once you establish that hit her up gently and dance and if you wanna move any further you will have to isolate her and go somewhere quieter.

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Cesar does have some good pointers here, but i have to say this is not my style..

    Sure its easy enough to look for a girl on the dance floor that is enjoying themselves a little too much, but i find these are easy targets - drunk girls. I personally like to test my skills a bit more by going for the absolute best on the dance floor, despite the fact she may already be getting a lot of male attraction.

    A dance floor sarge is hard, because you have to dance, it would be weird being on the dance floor and not dancing.. and the truth is, a lot of guys suck at dancing and ruins them from the start. However have to fear, zeus is here, and you don't actually need to be a good dancer to sarge on the dance floor. The key is to be confident with yourself and what you are doing, then this alone will give off the false impression you are a good dancer.
    I personally like to use a wingman on the dance floor, mainly because i feel if you go solo she'll put you into the same category as all the other guys trying to creep on her.

    On the dance floor i just appear to be having a good time with mates, dancing with anyone that comes close - male or female, and after a while i would have attracted enough attention to make my move - I have a little solo dance and go almost over-confident mode throwing some serious moves, and this will almost certainly attract your target to at least look at you, and as soon as she does, i glance at her and come in with 'you like these moves huh? ill tell you what, I'm going to get a drink and re-hydrate, then I'm coming back for our dance off'.. If done well she will come with you to get a drink, claiming she needs one as well, I've even had one girl say she wants to come with me to make sure i don't run away and chicken out haha!

    Then you've got her isolated and can work your magic! of course this isn't 100% and like many others, I've had the occasional rejection for my dance off offer, to which i reply 'suit yourself', and proceed to dance like it hasn't affected me..

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