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    Default Sticking points answered!

    No PUA can say they have a 100% success rate - or if they can, then they simply arent being ambitious enough.. Everyone comes across sticking points, some very common and universal, others more specialised.
    Ive been spending 12+ hours a day for the last week in the library (yes its exam week - im not just a freak) and am bored senseless with economics. So to keep me from going crazy, i am opening up this thread to suggestions and queries to all the sticking points you guys have or techniques you want to learn more about. I then promise to re-search and put together long and detailed posts of solutions best fit to help the more common sticking points, and answer every single question that comes my way. Dont be shy here, the more challenging the better for me, and can guarantee that i will be able to help.
    Its your choice, waste your time dwindling on those questions you have or techniques you arent quite up to scratch on, or fire away and come off ultimately a better pua!

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Right I might have something interesting.

    Met a girl through a friend ages ago and at that time I've added her. Haven't really talked to her as I was seeing my ex. Anyway, recently dropped her a message on fb, about our mutual friend, so we had a silly conversation about things so I've asked her out on sunday, she said she would but 'she even declined' her friends cuz she was ill. Fair do's not gonna dig it. But she said she will be out next weekend for friends bday so if I'm out come and say hello. I've managed to turned it around in the way that now she's the one to find me as apparently she's good at it when drunk. So just before I went, used the trick from here 'you dont seem to be a stalker type so I'm leaning towards exchanging digits with you but theres 1 burning question to be answered first' she said what is it, so replied well, wat's your number , she loled and gave it to me. Then I said I gotta go and went. and texted her with 'Hey M. here's my number catch you later C. x and she replied with 'Top bloke catch you on the flip side' xxx

    and thats it for now. Thinking how to progress it. I've talked about her with our mutual friend some time ago, she said she is quite hard to 'decipher' as is quite picky and fussy about men. To be honest I dont really know what to do, she's a HB7-8 so farking her would be great but on the other hand if she's a not really comfortable with men I wouldn't really want to hurt her in a way that some women after sex get a bit weird. Oh and We both recently lost contact with our mutual friend as she turned out to be a bit of a bitch..

    Any advice highly appreciated mate
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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    At last a question!
    Firstly good move making her be the one find you - emphasising your dominance here and she bought it and it payed off. Interested to know if you got any kino whilst talking to her when out as this is important to bring in early to to keep you from entering the 'friend-zone'.
    Personally i wouldnt have text her just to give her my number, i would have waited and then text saying something more like "talking to you was fun last night - i think we should hang out some more, coffee tomorrow at 6" etc. or something similar, arranging a date straight away.
    You dont need to reply on your mutual friend to be conversation for you both, be interesting and talk about something original. But start to build some comfort with her, talk about more personal things and try and get a phonecall in there. If she accepts your date/meet up then introduce kino escaltion and see if you get IOIs from her.
    A girl i met once said to me "im really fussy about guys and can just never find anyone to tick all the boxes, too picky for my own good!" - After i got her number i sent her a text saying: "If you ever want to hang out with someone you will find it impossible to be fussy about then come for a drink tomorrow after you get off work. Zeus x" - Worked a charm!

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Great stuff!
    I should have said though, it all happened on facebook so far, haven't actually met her/talked to her in person since I've met her with the mutual friend months ago, just the one time on facebook chat on sunday.

    So now, Im not sure if I should move it forward a bit/arrange a date or wait till the weekend and go to see her when out, she could still be ill now

    I think of myself as quite good when it comes to Kino, went out with some girl from pof few weeks ago, and been pretty kino active during the date and ended up farking her that night.

    Personally I am not a fan of phone calls. Although I have to take a call now and then at work, I pretty much hate it, thanks to my parents as due to their language barrier they made me sort all their problems over the phone, so all the mortgage arrangements, health stuff banking literally everything... When it comes to phone calls I am kind of a guy who makes a call if I need something. Wouldnt just ring somebody to 'catch up' with their life. The only thing I do something similar is calling a best childhood mate on skype and we can basically sit on there for hours, obviously not talking all the time but you know.

    Anyway another question incoming,

    hb9 at least, met on pof, started talking about 'the general stuff' and it probably went a bit too much, hence she could have got bored and stopped replying, heres the last few messages:

    her:

    Oh I had fun as most of us met up in one place which makes life a lot easier!

    No way! No sofa shopping round to malarkey! I've warned my mum not to ask me again.

    I now understand why my dad returns back in a mood when having been shopping with my mother. Poor bloke!

    Reports can be difficult when you have to try and make up positive stuff! It's just a long progress!

    Oh I've worked in many schools. I've been at my current one for two years now but yeah I do love it!

    Learning mentor helps children who struggle with school life. Have emotional issues. Bad home life. Etc etc! It can be very draining emotionally and mentally but I do enjoy it non the less!
    me:

    oops should have figured that one out but its quite late and I'm drunk on tea so got a good excuse!

    haha! so now your dad will have to go with your mum instead! Cheeky you!

    Right, guess that is one of the reasons I studied art where not too much writing was involved, although have to say analysing a painting which literally is a red rectangle with a white line going across was very very fun! lol

    Oh, thought it's your first one or maybe even the one you went to as a kid.

    That sounds very interesting and definitely not boring as all kids have all sorts of different issues, surely you will be a perfect mother one day

    It says on your profile Spanish is your second language, have you learnt it here or perhaps you're from Spain? I think you do have some Spanish or a bit more exotic features hmm
    her:

    I did work at the school I attended whilst in year 3 - 6 and some of my teachers were still there. Was strange! And I still called then by their surname!

    Well I did Spanish as a GCSE and my mum is Spanish so a bit of both I guess. I'm not very good at it though. I do try.. With my grandma!
    me:

    haha strange indeed! weren't they telling you not to call them by their surname? How did they call you?

    Wasn't far off then! Guessing you have been to Spain many times? I can't wait for the day I will be able to go back there but this time have a proper tour around the country and actually see the sights and of course remind myself of the black bulls/billboards (or whatever they're called) in the middle of nowhere. Shame they closed down La Tasca in town, loved the food in there...can't find any other place that does so tasty calamares..

    What other languages do you know/can you speak?

    and havent heard from her since :P so, anyway to recover from that? also bear in mind according to her profile she's looking for 'friends'

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Ahh okay, got a bit confused sorry! Yeah wait till the weekend then and then go meet her. Dont go straight to her when you go out though. Work the social atmosphere a bit and make your presence known.

    to your next question:

    conversation seems to be flowing well at first, noticed that she mentioned about work being emotionally draining - could have played with that a bit more - getting a girl to talk/thing about all sorts of emotions like happiness, sadness, anger, arousal etc. has a very psychological affect on their mind and makes them more intimate with you. You could have suggested getting coffee after work to de-stress and chill.

    I know its easy to keep a conversation going with simple chat, but its the same as what every other guy does and its boring! A lot of this convo was about work etc and studying - and she already told you that work can be draining, so by talking about it you are just bringing thoughts of that back up with her again!

    There are games such as cold readings , The cube and others, which you could use in conversation, to find out a little more about her on a personal level, tap into her emotions and also keep the conversation fun. Was this chat with her recent or a while ago? if it was recent then dont dwell on it, give her time and meanwhile practise your game on other girls - only way you'll get better.

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Here's a good one that I have never decided to bring up because I always thought it was a crazy challenge. Nonetheless, here it is... So how could I manage to win over a HB club greeter or club waitress. They're always so busy; thus there's an actual tight time constraint. Also, even incorporating a FTC only works for a few moments. So is there any way to make some quick moves for a number close in this situation? Or any strategies to enhance game in that scenario?
    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    This is more like it! A very fun question to answer thanks.
    All in all the game works the same no matter on the girl, be it a HB6, HB10 or a celebrity (as proven by style in the book The Game). You have to slightly tweak it depending on the situation so lets analyse this situation.
    A club promoter or club waitress is going to be hot, because thats why they get hired. As a result they will get multiple guys every night drooling over them or trying to pick them up, most likely all with little success - she is at work and is focused on getting the next guy into the club or buying another drink, all for commission so she doesnt have time to chat - so she thinks!
    In order to be the exception here you have to do just that - do what no other guy does. Dont stare at her or look up and down her body. If possible try and get seen with you talking to other guys/girls like you are some big shot. When you approach, look directly at her eyes, and hold a big smile.
    Maybe read up on cold-readings. A line style used in his book The Game to open on Britney Spears was "I'll tell you something about yourself that other people probably dont know. People sometimes see you as shy or bitchy off-stage even though you arent". - How often is she going to here this said to her in an interview honestly? Totally original and captures her attention immediately.
    The convo then goes as follows:
    Britney: "totally"
    Style: "do you want to know why?"
    Britney: "Yeah"
    Style: "Im watching your eyes when you talk. And every think you think, they go down and to the left. That means youre a kinesthetic person. Youre someone who lives in their feelings."
    Britney: "oh my god, thats totally true"

    He then went on the teach her how to do this and she was totally into it all. The conversation goes on and he gets her number in the end.
    My point is her attention isnt going to be with you, even when she is talking to your she is focusing on her next customer, so you need to get her attention.

    You could try this: When you approach, open with "If i guess your name right do i get a free drink? Just by looking into your eyes ive got a pretty good guess" , she may respond well and say sure, or may say no but you can try guessing anyway etc. Then go on to say "Gretchen" or "Ingrid"- something really ugly sounding, but say it with a smile so she doesnt take too much offence - a cheeky neg to start you off here, not what she is used to! From here you can take it on multiple ways, say this wasnt your strongest point but you have some cool magic tricks she'll be impressed with that you can show her later or ask her if she enjoys working at a place like this or if she just does it for the confidence booster of guys hitting on her all night. Baring in mind she is thinking about her next customer - you are currently not offering her anything so she is waiting for you to go, say something like "my friends are just coming over in a bit, they are finding out what everyone wants to drink or they are just rounding up everyone to come over - makes her think that you are of some worth to keep talking to.

    Its hard to pick up IOIs because these girls are trained to give them, its their job basically! so dont rely on them as much.. After you have opened her say you've got to go find your friends or something similar, but underneath her whole work 'act' of being a super hot desirable girl that has no time for any guy, you think she might actually be fun and interesting so ask if she wants to do something the next day - go for a drink, to a bar/club, all the usual.

    Hope this is of some help - cant say its my area of expertise and i have limited experience with these types of girls but if i find out any more information ill be sure to let you know.

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Hmm I have one,

    What and when do you text a girl after a date to solidify a second?

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Okay this one is easy - there are plenty of good guides out there on texting all of which im going to draw upon to answer this question, as well as adding in some pointers of my own.

    Firstly from T-Mal's guide: you want to be aiming to have an emotional effect on her with your text. Making her laugh straight away is going to work to your advantage here. If you want an average response from a girl then send an average text, simple. However if you want to have that extra impact effect on her to really get an awesome response, you are going to need to do something different. T-Mal talks about nicknames - and this is a great way to get her smiling and joking with you. From your first date with her, try to remember anything funny you joked about or any of her interests you talked about, then play on those in your first text. An example given in his guide was: 'If she mentioned that she LOVES movies & TV shows about paranormal stuff, you could text her something like:
    “Hey ghost girl, I hope you’re in good spirits today ;-)”.'

    If the first date went well then setting up a second shouldnt be too bad. Women like men who are decisive and dominant - those who take control and it shows alpha-maleness. Another top tip is to arrange to meet at an odd time - for example 9.33pm instead of 9.30pm, just be a little bit different and unique to all those other generic guys.

    Fron GunsnGlory's guide, he has examples where he texts the girl and find out what sort of cuisine she likes, to later pick out a restaurant of that type, or if she has some native origin, find out where it is and find a restaurant of that type or even better attempt to cook food from that origin for her.

    In your situation dont text her immediately after the date, if she doesnt text back within at least 24 hours then send her a text and use examples from above as openers. To arrange a 2nd date when texting her dont ask her on a date, tell her! for example dont say "i had a great time last night, do you want to hang out again soon" - this isnt going to hellp you out. Use something more like "I was going to go to this sushi bar tomorrow, remember you said you liked fish and you would love this dish they serve here, i can pick you up at 6.27". Shows you have payed attention to what she likes and have taken the control of the situation, throwing in a bit of everything here.

    hope this helps

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    Default Re: Sticking points answered!

    Zeus, my man, help me.

    My sticking point is that, dealing with rejection possibilities when gaming chicks with BFs. When they say they have a BF, it instantly infects my mind, even though I seem unaffected, it really farks up my game.

    Might be huge inner game issues there... Any suggestions to get rid of it?

    Wolf.
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    It's about who I am. Do it right here, right now.


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