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    Default Important tip to know FOR REAL

    So I always asked myself about what would a women think or say if she knows about all the stuff we know and Im talking about everything, from this subculture we are part from, until the very specific things we know, such as kind of IOIs, IODs, routines, inner game in general. So I went sarging one night, met a girl, number closed her. After that night, she wanted to get with me, but I told her the L.J.B.F. line so we could be friends. Two weeks past after that, and we were talking about seduction and stuff, and I started to say some things of me, etc etc, and finally I said, well, yeah I know quite a lot, and she asked why, so I told her I was an PUA (That was my point, I wanted to get to this to see her reaction, for the first time I met her I lied about my name and stuff, so if something wrong happened I wouldnt ruin my reputation, hopefully, I did lied)and she right away looked it up on google, and she was impressed, she didnt believe that a whole community of this was in this world, she thought this just happened in movies bla bla bla. She started to read more about it, and more, and more, and more. And she said that she was in shocked because there was people who just train to be a seductor, or as mystery says a "Venusian Artist". We, obviously got to the point where she asked me if gamed her, so I told her yes, and I started to explain the whole game, "See, I looked at you and you and I made eye contact, then I opened you and your group, threw some negs, and then you started to do kino to me, and I threw you away, and then I gave you an IOI, to reward you, then I isolated you, then I phone number closed you, even tho I could have easly kissed you, I didnt." and she just went in shocked for like 5 minutes, and she said, she felt like a slut, she felt fooled, because I was friend of her, but that night, when she felt that whole attraction to me, it was to other me, the PUA guy inside of me, and I started to realize that many of my close friends when I got into this, told me the same thing, that I was building a whole new personality inside of me, but I didnt really pay attention to it.

    So I have to things to say
    1.DO NOT TELL ANY GIRL ABOUT THIS, she might fell like that, now I experienced this I dont even get how some PUAs have pivots.
    2.What do you thing about that secnd personality we all have inside?

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    Default Re: Important tip to know FOR REAL

    I've had many a experience with this. The first thing is that NO ONE likes to feel manipulated. Even if you're doing it. I mean, if a woman manipulated you to buying her a car, but you had no idea of it until after you got it for her, you'd feel like a pretty big chump. To avoid that I usually say this ...

    "What we do doesn't guarantee anything. Only increase our chances. We can't control a woman, only influence."

    Not only do I really believe this, but it eases their mind of the whole manipulation thing.
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."

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    Default Re: Important tip to know FOR REAL

    I totally agree with you Batman, I strongly feel that the way PUA can be looked at with a negative connotation can be misleading. I'm sure there are guys within that use it as some sort of self-validating agenda, but I don't feel like it is manipulation if you genuinely mold yourself into the type of person a PUA is, and are just using it to increase your chances and thus quality of life. I look at the community as more about personal development than it is manipulation of women.

    The self-image, self-confidence, and general comfort around people in general (including HBs) that a person can gain from the PUA community is in and of itself the type of thing that attracts women. It's not manipulation if it's legitimate and sincere.

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    Default Re: Important tip to know FOR REAL

    Quote Originally Posted by BatMan View Post
    I've had many a experience with this. The first thing is that NO ONE likes to feel manipulated. Even if you're doing it. I mean, if a woman manipulated you to buying her a car, but you had no idea of it until after you got it for her, you'd feel like a pretty big chump. To avoid that I usually say this ...

    "What we do doesn't guarantee anything. Only increase our chances. We can't control a woman, only influence."

    Not only do I really believe this, but it eases their mind of the whole manipulation thing.
    That's very well said and I agree with you.

    I think we ALL get manipulated when we buy a car, clothes, a house, buy stocks and most of all by WOMEN. Females make guys feel guilty about all sorts or stuff.

    They give guys one shit test after another. They EXPECT a guy to buy them gifts, drinks, meals, hold open doors, give up their seat on transit just because they can smile and get the AFC to do that. Women manipulate guys every chance they get.

    Then on the other hand they want equality when it suits them in the work place and promotions. I totally agree that women should be treated equally.

    When a guy doesn't react to a woman demanding things or pushes back she is instantly more attracted to him.

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    Default Re: Important tip to know FOR REAL

    I'm totally open.& honest about what I do & who I am.
    However; I don't say I'm a "pick up artist". (Because I peraonally don't see myself that way.)

    Instead, I tell them that I study & teach social dynamics / relationship psychology.
    I never use PUA terminology either....

    I don't have to lie about anything & women are genuinely intrigued.
    Whn I explain that I understand how the process of attraction works, & that I actually know what women want & look for in a man, they want to know more.

    I really don't have to game them... They pretty much game themselves.


    So I would agree that it's a bad idea to tell a girl you're a "PUA"...

    Try being honest, but with more intelligence & common sense.


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    Default Re: Important tip to know FOR REAL

    I tell girls about the PUA arts. However, I am very careful with who I do tell it to.

    The first time I told a girl, who happened to be my best friend in college at the time, about this, she stabbed me in the back and created a huge social crisis for me about halfway through my spring semester of college. Needless to say, we are not friends anymore.

    The second girl I told showed a severe amount of interest in it. She was a friend, and I had no intention of gaming her. I told her about all the mechanics of relationships and picking up someone of the opposite sex. She was amazed and asked if I was going to college to be a psychologist. I told her "nope, Computer Scientist".

    The third girl I told had a meltdown. The circumstances were not right, and she proceeded to lash out at me for the next month.

    Overall, I believe that you can tell girls, but you have to be careful about who. I think the reason you got such a bad reaction was because you lied a lot to her in an effort to protect yourself. Not a smart or morally honorable move.
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    Default Re: Important tip to know FOR REAL

    you can easily reframe this as something empowering and positive. Every girl i've explained this stuff to has had a positive reaction and is happy that i'm involved in a community that teaches men to be more confident and socially capable.

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    Default Re: Important tip to know FOR REAL

    I'm pretty much with T-Mal and Swagman. There's no harm in using PUA stuffs and being a PUA, and there is no way to tell some about it to a HB - if you communicate it well.

    Actually, I gamed my first HB this way. Approach and Day1 went great, but on the first date, she didn't react good for routines, she felt like I'm manipulated her. So I tried to explain it to her, but just a bit, just the surface. When I start to ran routines on hre in this way, it all worked. So I didn't just started Kino-routines out of nowhere, I was like "Ok, so there's this routine, the main purpose of it is to make and maintain eycontact, and get to know each other. But yeah, you should keep your hand here while doing it, that's an important part" - and I ran the routine on her, while explaining - it's psychology: even though you know the effect of something, it doesn't mean it won't gonna has an impact on you. So even though I explain why and what i was doing, I still kinod her, still made eyecontact etc.

    Furthermore, if you communicate well, it could be a great DHV. it could show preselection, it can create mystery, it could be social proof. I like to tell girls I'm very into psychology, socialpsychology, social interactions - and that's pretty much the truth, that's what PUA is all about.

    Oh, and once I tried this one: my wing approached a 2-set, had a brief convo with them, but no escalation, no DHV, so it just ended a few minutes later, and my wing left them. Then I approached them with: "Hey girls, how're you doin? That guy who just left, what do you think about him? Had a great conversation?" bla-bla "Oh, okay, great, I'm her coach, I just wanted to know what you think about him. But yeah, you have a point, we're gonna work on these points later" - it created instant interest, what kinda coach I'm, what is PUA, etc. You can also use "Yeah, it means I could pick you girls up - if I wanted to/but you're not my type, sorry".

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    Default Re: Important tip to know FOR REAL

    its totally unnecessary.why?she never even asked.

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    Default Re: Important tip to know FOR REAL

    Quote Originally Posted by HardRock View Post
    its totally unnecessary.why?she never even asked.
    It's all a matter of whether you want to or not. Depending on who you tell, some people may take a high amount of interest in it. Others may simply flip sh1t at you and have a melt down, as I had stated before. Given the right person, it does make for an interesting conversation topic, and it could even get you more connections and reputation.

    Generally, however, I prefer to stick to the intention of not telling people your intentions. There are those rare cases that catch my fancy, and that is when I choose to tell people of my background.
    "There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time." - Malcolm X


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