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Thread: Trouble Spotting Holes in my Daygame

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    Default Trouble Spotting Holes in my Daygame

    Hello,

    Been doing daygame all summer long. Very comfortable doing it. Its my second summer but took 3 yr off during a relationship. Practiced DD stuff about 5 yr prior to that. I can't tell if my game has areas that need major improvement or if it's just a matter of good days and bad.

    This will be a long message but will try to short form. I go about my day to day life, work, groceries, walk my dog. If I see a girl I'm attracted to I approach. Once a day I spent 1-2 hours walking around my hood purposely looking. I find both ways yield equally. I'm picky with looks and do not approach for the sake of practice unless its the start of the day and I feel rusty.

    Everyday of the week I approach 1-3 girls. Here is my summary per week;

    I have a boyfriend/wedding ring - 40%
    Number Close - 40% (never a fake number)
    Great body, but up close not pretty - 20%

    I feel like my number close is good I think? But out of that 40% most will play the text game and some will not respond at all. I usually end up on a date once every 2 weeks, not happy about that.

    I'm experiencing all kind of weirdness. Girls that I feel are not that into me or the interaction was short....surprisingl y things go well. Girls that stop and talk to me for 10mins, give IOI's most of the time backfire. I have yet to go on a instant date but I'm trying.

    My trouble is after getting the number. Here is my breakdown;

    -See a hottie, approach immediately. Usually walk past them 3 sec later and turn around and tap them on the shoulder.
    -"Excuse me, I noticed you as you walked passed. You're the cuttest girl I've seen all day or I really like the way you dress you've got great style. I know that if I didn't stop you I'd be kicking myself all day."
    -Introduction, followed by false time constraint.
    -"What are you doing today?"
    -DHV story
    -Qualification
    -Comfort
    -Mention a cool restaurant with a patio that I haven't' been too in a while. Tell them I'm going sometime this week, invite them to join.
    -Exchange numbers, try to put mine in her phone with funny name.
    -a few more minutes of chit chat and off I go
    - 3 or 4 hours later send a simple text. Usually they bite and I either respond with a little bit of banter or not at all.
    -Next day start some playful funny low compliance texts. Set up a date for drinks.

    50% of the time I lose them when I set up a date, 30% turn into dates and 20% I never hear from after the number. Radio silence at that point. So I give it a day or two and start up low compliance texting again. If nothing then a phone call the following day or two and if voicemail then I leave a funny message. At this point I'm done. Only recently have I been trying to resurrect dead numbers by pinging every few weeks just for my own knowledge and humour. I've read over the texting guide by love systems, very helpful.

    Now onto the questions;

    1. I'm blinded by my methods, see any areas of improvement?
    2. Are my percentages normal?
    3. The phone numbers are real, I know this once I hear there voicemail. Should I call before setting up a date? This I really want to hear about.
    4. My gut is telling me that part of this is a security issue for the girl, I mean I am a complete stranger and they have invested a 10 min conversation with me. What's a good 1st date that they will feel secure?

    Note: The last 2 girls is what really spawned this post. I felt a good attraction coming from both of them. One was 22 the other 28. Got a loving hug from the 28 year old at the end of it. Absolutely nothing from either of them since that moment. I sent 2 texts per day since I've met them, over 2 days and on day 3 a phone call and left a funny call back humour message today. This is the first time I changed my strategy. My date invite went from wine on at a restaurant patio on the beach to sitting or walking along the beach with a glass of wine watching the sunset. It's either a fluke or they sense danger with my new choice of date?

    Thank you so much guys, I really feel like the hardest part is over. All that's left is to be in an area with more girls so I can do 10+ approaches per day and tweak everything so I go on more dates

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    Default Re: Trouble Spotting Holes in my Daygame

    Your game plan looks good. However, I wouldn't be afraid to try some new things of my own. Try indirect approach for instance. Ask for directions (even if you know it), mention something about your dog, I don't know, be creative. It's more fun that way, in my opinion.

    Direct approach needs a solid inner game. You don't have hook/subject to hold on when you start losing your grip because you've already stated your intention from the start.

    In short, I wouldn't stick on some canned game technique. Go out, do sh1t and have a blast.

    Your "percentages" seem normal. Even the most successful PUAs have a few girls that got away.

    I'm not really a fan of phone calls, especially when it's gonna be your first time calling her, to set up a date. Kinda gets too serious, you know what I mean? If you called her couple times before, she called you a few times, it'll be okay to call up for a date.

    Security issue? Nah man, don't let that thought get to your head, unless you look and/or act like a creep of course. People feel relieved and happy when they meet a stranger and have a good talk. Because they take a pause from their devouring thoughts and forget about their ongoing issues.

    Hope this helps,
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    Default Re: Trouble Spotting Holes in my Daygame

    That's good advice. Can you elaborate a bit more on what exactly inner game is? Confidence?

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    Default Re: Trouble Spotting Holes in my Daygame

    Inner game mainly contributes to confidence yes, but in general, inner game means you.

    It is about how you see yourself and how you reflect this image to the others. It's about the values and qualities you have.

    Strong inner game means that a PUA has confidence in himself. It means that his decisions don't get affected by outer validation. Only himself has the final say on what he's going to do and how he's going to do.

    Strong inner game means solid body posture, a confident smile and a firm voice tone, because a PUA is always happy and confident.

    Strong inner game means leadership. A PUA leads people, women and conversations. He leads his life.

    It also means value. A PUA has lots of hobbies, he has a life other than pick up, so he's not dependent on whether he'll be rejected or not because there are a lot of women who will eventually match with his qualities. He also knows how to successfully deliver these qualities in a conversation.
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    Default Re: Trouble Spotting Holes in my Daygame

    I think your success rate is very good. I don't know anybody who can get 2 dates per fortnight using direct day game. I don't think you need to complain

    I guess a girl who is super friendly to you, is superfriendly to any other guy who approaches her! So many guys probably have her number and so they overwhelm her by texts and dates. You must differentiate yourself when you text them for the first time. You also need to improve your text game to make them want you. If a girl gives you her real number, she is interested in you. But, you probably turn them off when you text them.

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    Default Re: Trouble Spotting Holes in my Daygame

    Hey aussiearef I get real numbers all the time and 50% of the time I don't even get a response, I use the same opening text and half the time it works just fine and the other half of the time I never get a response, even after pinging once a day.

    So what gives, is it really true that if a girl gives a real number she's interested? I usually let them punch it into my phone and to my surprise that last 2 girls put first and last names in and I never heard from them.

    This is my opening text, and yes they usually have my number in there phone.

    "hey it's my name, cool meeting you at X. Put my number in your phone, it's the most important number you'll ever get : ) - my name "

    At first I thought it was too cocky, but it worked most of the time, more often with hotties. So either that 1st message is the problem or woman who are not interested give me there number to be polite or exit the situation. Any thoughts?

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    Default Re: Trouble Spotting Holes in my Daygame

    It's always been about high risk/high reward vs low risk/low reward. Direct game being the high risk and indirect the low risk.

    Ever play chess? Did you know that it's possible to beat someone in 4 moves? I've done it before myself. However, the moves required to pull it off leave your pieces vulnerable to attack and your opponent has to be an idiot to not see the opportunity to beat you. You could lose the game if they are even slightly good at chess. The move is called "Fools mate."

    Does pulling off a fools mate make me a chess champion? Definitely not. That's why masters go the safe route and play a "solid game." They don't take too great a risk because they could lose everything. It requires patience and strategy. Indirect game is playing a solid game. It takes longer and requires patience. But feels much more like a natural encounter vs direct game where you make your interest known from the beginning.

    I'm not saying one is better than the other. Just that they are two sides to the same coin. So maybe try indirect to play a solid game.
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