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    Default She's a "PUA"

    Okay LOL, this is weird and awesome at the same time. I've met this girl and we had a looong talk about relationships and social dynamics. She knows that I'm interested in these kinds of stuff.

    Today I recognized that she's (involuntarily) pretty knowledgeable about PUA.

    She said guys should follow the attraction comfort seduction pattern and said she has a seduction routine to seduce men. She also said she knows about BF destroyer techniques and totally invulnerable against them. She listed every IOI we look for. And the list goes on and on... (Note that she didn't use PUA jargon while telling these things.)

    She also stated that she often goes out to do some PU with her girl friends, haha.

    Question is, is it possible to game this girl? If the answer is yes, how? I'm just excited if I can extract any valuable information out of her, but she'd make a great gf as well.

    If I can't close her, she could be the wing of my dreams anyway.

    This post might be a bit untidy but ehh, deal with it bros.
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    Default Re: She's a "PUA"

    Wolf,

    I've known one woman like this and heard stories of a dozen more here and from friends. Fact: There are women out there who are PUAs and they may be reading this forum as well.

    You may not like this answer. It is possible, but the way to deal with these women will basically have to cause many textbook trained PUAs to unlearn what they've learned. You don't use techniques, you don't go down a checklist of attraction (comfort, escalation, etc), you don't have prefabricated memorized lines, gimmicks/gambits/routines, etc, be alpha male, negging, feigning disinterest, etc.

    The way I contend with them is the school of true confidence. All the above stuff isn't true confidence, it's a form of overcompensating.

    True confidence comes accepting/embracing your flaws/insecurities, being authentic (honest) and show vulnerability and congruent behaviors will follow. I found out that when I get authentic with these women or any women, they get authentic too. If you try to play them with witty lines, routines, they will sense that and play you too, Sh1t test you until they figure out your act and you are not real. Ultimately, this gets exhausting and it clouds a man's self-awareness. And if you are not self-aware, then you will attract the same type of woman of your emotional makeup. So if you want to use PUA tactics to get same night lays, then that's the kind of girl you will attract. It's the law of attraction.

    Another example is there is a story where a newb PUA once tried some PUA tactics on a group of women and failed. He finally said, "Okay, what could I have done better? All I wanted was to meet a nice girl." To his surprise, the women actually invited him to sit down with them and gave them their opinions, they all had fun as they role-played coaching him. When he showed vulnerability, got authentic with them, they got real with him. We all appreciate someone who is authentic.

    How does this apply to pickup? So say after conversing with a woman and feeling her out and getting a sense that she is interested in you. If you say "you’re really hot, I want to have sex with you." That boldness, that demonstration of interest, that comfort of expressing yourself sexually implies all these good characteristics of a confident man. It’s actually a turn-on. As long as you don't over do it and it's done without condition (such as objectifying them).

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    Happy46073 wrote a post the other day:
    ***Opening sets in an honest way***
    First of all, let's look at what happens each time I open a set. Each time I approach a women I will always tell her the feeling that I have at some stage soon after meeting her. For example I might say: “I just had this feeling that I wanted to talk to you, and get to know you better.” This is totally true! I might also say “I am enjoying talking to you” or something like this. From the very start of the relationship I always want to create a dialogue where talking honestly about emotions is normal, and I make no apologies for being honest about my feelings, what ever they are. I think this is more honest than what some AFG’s do making small talk with HB’s about things that they are not interested in just because they think that this will make the women like them more.
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    The best way I compare this is to is the martial arts. There are hard styles like MMA that rely on physical strength and techniques and soft styles like Tai Chi that harnesses and cultivate internal energy "ki" which has more longevity than anything that relies on strength (because we are all going to grow old one day).

    Bottom line: THERE IS NO TECHNIQUE involved. But the innergame transformation must come internally rather than externally. Anytime you have to rely on a technique, you are already telling yourself subconsciously "I'm not good enough (that's why I have to use a technique). And if this technique doesn't work, what is the first thing a person who uses a technique does? He overthinks "where did I go wrong." That's doubt/anxiety. It only reinforces his sense of insecurities when he should be telling himself "I don't need to prove myself to anyone, including myself."

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    Default Re: She's a "PUA"

    I never use canned stuff anyway but I feel ya.

    I always say what comes up to my mind at that instant, but this time I felt like I should include something extra.

    But yeah, you're correct my man. If a girl wants you she wants you. Just be confident and let it flow, do your thing...

    Thanks bro.

    PS: I don't know how the hell I double posted this thread LOL.
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    Default Re: She's a "PUA"

    Yea you'll be fine with fundamentals. Such as building compliance and reward/punish certain behavior. Push/pull as well to qualify may help. Stick to fundamental concepts and away from scripted routines.

    p.s. Oh and don't forget. NEVER reveal your cards. Always play dumb like you are not aware of what you're doing. Lol.
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    Default Re: She's a "PUA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf24 View Post
    I never use canned stuff anyway but I feel ya.

    I always say what comes up to my mind at that instant, but this time I felt like I should include something extra.

    But yeah, you're correct my man. If a girl wants you she wants you. Just be confident and let it flow, do your thing...
    That's right. And if a girl is not interested in you, at least it was the real you, and not some fabrication of you maintaining an "alpha" act, etc. Nothing sh1ttier than getting blown out and then saying "Man, if only I was myself." I speak from experience.

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    Default Re: She's a "PUA"

    Quote Originally Posted by BatMan View Post
    p.s. Oh and don't forget. NEVER reveal your cards. Always play dumb like you are not aware of what you're doing. Lol.
    I wanna do something like, give her a blank look, stay silent for couple seconds and then say: "Right now I'm running the most complicated routine on you." and a sly smile attached to that.

    Sounds fun to me, what do you say?
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    Default Re: She's a "PUA"

    Not even the most invulnerable girl can resist a confident man who is passionate about the life he leads. If she see's you are not only confident about your slight sensitivity for the emotional and intellectual side of life, but also that you pursue all things with passion and vigor, then I'm willing to gamble she would give you a shot.

    Basically, cocky funny only works on her if she can sense it was quick witted. DHV only works on her if she can sense it was a genuine transition and you are simply being passionate about your job or whatever it is you started discussing to give yourself value.

    Really this girl is most amateur PUA's dream. But only a PUA with full blown confidence in his inner game will get her. So it's kind of a paradox. What I mean by she's the amateur's dream is that she is my dream. Hahah.

    As in I too avoid canned techniques. Have the strong vibe of a good pua, but here and there I will make an AFC move that wasnt because I was an AFC, but more so because I got overzealous or overly passionate about just bring myself and said a few awkward jokes or made a few awkward moves and then immediately noticed and laughed them off.

    Well since I was gaming hb8-9s those things didnt fly and I lost my chances. But I get the feeling a girl like the one you speak of would recognize the genuine form of my fuck ups and instead take them as a sign that I can accept humility, etcx

    Like it was noted above, you would have to unlearn many things, or im my case have not fully learned them, in order to pursue her.

    She is the ultimate woman imo if she's an hb8-9. Thats because her personality and ability to overlook the unnecessary parts of "the game" and search for more lasting qualities...that alone to me boosts her another point. So a girl that that who is hb9 suddenly becomes a perfect 10.

    What you should do imo is go with the true "be yourself" method. Typically this can end up with minor afc moves scattered throughout. But I think the key is to be able to recognize them, and display somehow that they arent afc (maybe you just want to stare her in the eyes for a bit and be happy, maybe you want to enjoy the silence and make observations about the moment -thats one thing I do that comes off SUpER AFC but Ive found a great way to derail women from thinking that. It goes silent and Im sitting there happily and I turn and say "I apologize if I'm boring you I just wanted to take the moment in".)

    When they inquire I explain to them that to me saying "oh I went on this date one time to this restaurant" that is a boring story. I would rather remember it as, "it was cloudy evening, a but muggy out, we walked into this dimly lit italian restaurant. The "S" on the sign had been fried out so it just read Giovanni'. There was a mural wrapping the entirety of the wall on the inside and it was as if you were sitting oceanside that is if you could imagine yourself too as a very low form of art since the mural was badly painted. There was cars buzzing outside but all of it was drowned out by the light hearted snare kicks of a sinatra-esque tune. The steam lightly rose from my pasta and broke out like clouds of ash from a volcano as I sliced open the first ravioli. And then there she was. Sitting across from me wondering why she'd gotten herself into this, if it was even worth it, and what to say to not make things awkward, her blue eyes beaming at me with concern. Little did she know, I was completely content with everything and just glad to have some new company for an evening out.


    That's literally what I remember from the last time I took a girl out for italian. I actually used the method later on in the date at a different venue but she was blown away at how much information and description I could conjure from what seemed so mundane. Yet we had been chatting as well it had only gone silent for a moment. So in the midst of everything I'm still enjoying things for what they are. I proved to her I was more than your average guy, I had a great passion for life, and I was confident and not nervous at all about the situation, even in my AFC moments...

    I have a feeling that with the girl you described a move like this would be...a game changer for her. She might actually show some serious interest if she found out you had all that going on in your head during a brief moment of silence between you. Instead of just "omg omg what do I say I'm an AFC". I find that 99% of the time girls are immensely surprised to hear that this is my way of going about life. I can almost hear their panties start to get wet. The mystery and passion combined is going to make her so wet you can ring her panties out on your dick for lubing later.

    To me I see it as an AFC thing. Its a trigger. I get nervous. I stop talking. Start observing to alleviate the anxiety so at least Im not sitting thinking what to say but rather just trying to enjoy myself. But since I have this bad afc tenedency, i play it to my advantage and wow them with my self awareness and perspective on life. Not the best strategy but Im really into to natural gaming. If it isnt me I dont do it. Delivery is everything so if I cant deliever it properly I dont use that method whatever it be. Instead Id rather turn my flaws into something valuable. So all methods become natural. Because if they were natural flaws, I suddenly change them to natural perks by seeing them in a different light. That way they still come about very easily (naturally) but instead of being AFC I have a new perspective on them and make them into alpha traits.

    Hopefully some of this helps or gets you conjuring some new ideas on how to wow this girl. I would be highly interested to see how it plays out.

    I would also be highly interested if you had a pua friend you could invite out to hit on her too and pretend you just met the guy recently. There is always a chance she SAYS she knows all the tricks blah blah and DOES know them, but still isnt immune to them. You know? She could just have a "pua shield" instead of a bitch shield, but who says a good pua couldnt break it still with flawless gaming? Sure she sees it all coming, but is it not impressive how suave and flawless it all adds up to be? She may says shes immune to most pua stuff and then fall for it anyway because the methods truly work at a deeper level.

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    Default Re: She's a "PUA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf24 View Post
    I wanna do something like, give her a blank look, stay silent for couple seconds and then say: "Right now I'm running the most complicated routine on you." and a sly smile attached to that.

    Sounds fun to me, what do you say?
    Me, personally, I think it's funny, would probably make her chuckle, disarm her a bit and cause some sexual tension.

    But who cares what I think or any of us. Who cares what she thinks. If it's something you would naturally say and do, feeling comfortable doing without condition, then roll with it. Just remember, the old adage of true confidence "You don’t have to prove anything to anyone, including yourself."

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    Default Re: She's a "PUA"

    Being made into a bigger deal than it is. Only one in a 500 girls no of puas. Only one in ten thousand would know it well enough to spot u. Not worth the time that would be needed to revamp game. #wasteoftime
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    Default Re: She's a "PUA"

    Nice! Actually my gf called me out on pua when we were just friends.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0Rooster0 View Post
    Being made into a bigger deal than it is. Only one in a 500 girls no of puas. Only one in ten thousand would know it well enough to spot u. Not worth the time that would be needed to revamp game. #wasteoftime
    He's right ^ there's not really any danger of pua's getting "outed" so to speak. The odds are in our favor to continue to operate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf24 View Post
    I wanna do something like, give her a blank look, stay silent for couple seconds and then say: "Right now I'm running the most complicated routine on you." and a sly smile attached to that.

    Sounds fun to me, what do you say?
    Okay, I was half way through typing an answer to you that this ^ would seem like you're trying to impress her but then I realized how to do it that will probably work.

    Say something like

    You: "well, I'm running a super advanced level of game on you."
    Her: "Oh?"
    You: "Yeah," *turn your back to her for a moment, then face her again* "How did you get off of my windshield"
    Her: "WTF?"
    You: "Oh! Sorry, I got confused, you looked exactly like my parking ticket - you have FINE written all over you!"

    Have a good laugh and keep running game on her with cheesy pickup lines (read these for ideas).

    So yeah, do that and then don't solicit her help as a wing chick. You outgaming her and being able to intelligently analyze social situations whenever y'all go out is gonna be your DHV. Keep playing aloof and see what happens, but DON'T try to sleep with her.

    This chick is either gonna end up offering to help you pick up girls
    AND/OR
    Fark the fark out of you after getting frustrated that you keep going home with hot chicks
    AND/OR
    Be the best gf ever
    DTF HB's omw 2 LTR


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