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    Default DAYGAME Expert Needed

    Hello,

    My questions will be at the end but I feel I will get better answers if I gave some background on myself.

    This is me;
    pros- little or no approach anxiety and I speak clearly.handsome, great shape, dress well.

    cons - my game feels tangled as I have so many guides, video and methods to follow I'm getting confused. I'm loosing half the girls after my 1st text message or half of them flake on our first date.

    Every girl is different and it takes me a good two weeks to meet a HB9+ and I've lost 2 so far because of my text game.

    My Training: Daygame by Jeremy Soul, Double your dating guide, Magic bullets and The ultimate guide to text and phone game and this forum. Now I'm not a guide junkie. I spend 1hr - 2hrs 3 days a week in field using daygame. Of course I also use it in my day to day life, like when I'm running errands.

    Problem...I think: my text game. Ya that's what I'm thinking. So I'll number close most of the time. Half of the time I won't get a text response and it is indeed the real number. Although the following opener has worked many times I do believe it's the fault.

    "Hey it's X, cool meeting you at X. Put my number in your phone, it's the most important one you'll ever get ".

    At first it seemed too cocky, but then it started to work.....or was it merely tolerated? I'm thinking about dropping my text game until I get passed the first date, I'm usually perfectly fine at that point. I'm always left feeling that I did not build enough comfort. I'm thinking about just doing phone game in the beginning till I get to the first date. Thoughts?

    Now here come more questions. I'm wondering if my texts are coming across as weird. See, I meet these girls for about 3-10 mins. The traits they get from me are; confident, attractive, interesting. So after the initial opener above I'll wait till the next day to respond or do a bit of texting that night. But the next day I bust out openers like this;

    "a bucket full of puppies and and Ice cold beer. I could use one of these right now."
    -Works all the time

    "look up, can you see the cloud shaped like a laughing polar bear from where you are?"
    -50/50 on this one

    "I feel like a mad scientist today, do you feel like a super hero?"
    -works but not received well.

    And more like that. Because I'm not often humors during the initial meet that maybe my texts are giving the girls buyers remorse?

    Case Scenario 1; I'll get a number on a Wed. and they wont be available to meet up till Monday or Tuesday. If I set up a date the next day I've now got 4-5 days before our first date. Am I supposed to text or phone them during that time and how often?

    Case Scenario 2; The HB9 flaked on me today, an hour prior to use having a few drinks in a restaurant on the beach. My response which came right from The ultimate text and phone guide was;

    "No Problem, I'll go with someone else"
    -after I sent it I couldn't help but feel it was DLV.

    Conclusion: I really need a wicked Daygame expert to help me out with my questions and give me standard game after getting the number. I really need to fall back on "safe" or "standard" game until I can build upon it. In short, please help me turn that phone number into a date.

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    Default Re: DAYGAME Expert Needed

    In my opinion (Though I am no expert) I would say the reason you lose the girls is because you are too worried about what technique to use next or if this routine is good. I mean just go out there to have fun. Don't worry about what they think or if some routine would work good in this situation. This is cliche to say but you have to show them who YOU are as a person. Not who Mystery is or who Carlos Xuma is. As I said I am no expert but here is a list of some great daygame teachers

    Sasha Daygame
    Andy Yosha
    Yaz
    Simple Pickup(Kong Jesse and Jason)

    You can find all of these guys on youtube and they have some pretty interesting opinions regarding this. Good luck.
    Any of you guys in the Dayton Oh area let me know and we will sarge.

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    Default Re: DAYGAME Expert Needed

    If she cancels or says she can't meet you that day, then you just go to that restaurant/bar anyway with a buddy or alone if necessary.

    Get someone to snap a pic with you and a waitress ( or another girl or group of girls). Then text her the pic saying how much of a great time you are having. Something like, "Hey, dork dork butt you are missing out on a CRAZY time here." Then don't send or respond to her messages for the rest of the night because you are TOO BUSY HAVING FUN.

    She will see you as a fun guy, the pic(s) shows Social Proof and it shows her that if she wants to have a fun time then she needs to be hanging out with you. It also shows her that you do what you want and when you want to. You don't need her for a good time. She will see you as the Alpha male.

    I have used this pic/text approach and the girls will want to re-schedule a date with you. Once they do, you make her work a little for the date by saying your busy or say "I don't know you have to bribe me." Say it in a sarcastic, cocky, funny, playful tone.

    Don't meet her on a Friday or a Saturday. Don't meet her for dinner. Coffee, activity or drinks ONLY. Don't spend very much money on her. My last date 2 nights ago came out $43 including the tip. We were there for about 3.5 to 4 hours.

    I will grab the bill and say, "You know I think I will cover the bill today. You cover the tip.... or we can switch and I'll cover the tip (wink)".

    She will laugh and choose to cover the tip.One exception, I did have a girl who is a pharmacist tell me that she will cover the bill and the tip. I told her that I will do the same on the next date. Now, you have a second date commitment. We still hookup about once a month.

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    Default Re: DAYGAME Expert Needed

    Dave, that's a great idea about going and taking a pic at the place we were supposed to go. I will use this from now on.

    Odlaw you are partially correct. Yes I'm in need of technique because I'm finding myself in new situations all the time and instead of scrapping a girl for the sake of learning I want something safe to fall back on. I'm that kinda guy that would rather be alone than with anything less than an HB8. Therefore, I do a lot of work being out and about trying to find one.

    Now I still have questions from above that I'm still curious about.

    1. Meet a girl during the day, complete stranger. Number close, text for a couple days and set up a date. She can't meet up till 4 or more days later. Do I keep the fire burning by texting/call a bit ever other day?

    2. I'm downtown a lot and due to work some of my daygame interactions are 5 mins. I can feel that I'm not building enough comfort but still manage to set up a future drink/coffee and number close. Should I build comfort by calling before setting up a date?

    3. I would really like to hear about a Daygame experts experiences. Nothing too detailed just break down a typical approach all the way to 1st date. I just want something to reference to my own experiences.

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    Default Re: DAYGAME Expert Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by dave_xxx View Post

    Don't meet her on a Friday or a Saturday. Don't meet her for dinner. Coffee, activity or drinks ONLY.
    Whats the reason for each of these?

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    Default Re: DAYGAME Expert Needed

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dave_xxx

    Don't meet her on a Friday or a Saturday. Don't meet her for dinner. Coffee, activity or drinks ONLY.


    Whats the reason for each of these?
    Can't say what dave had in mind but it's usually these reasons:

    Coffee or drinks dates are short, gives short, fun, low commitment opportunity to get to know each other.

    Dinner dates are the opposite, big commitment, more likely to give the girl cold feet, she imagines if it doesn't go well it's lots of awkward starting across the table waiting for the food, the check, etc. Bigger bill than coffee/drinks. You can always go to coffee and then agree to extend it to dinner if comfort is built.

    Activity dates are usually fun and involve adrenaline, which shortens time perception and builds bonds faster.

    I don't know as much about the Fri Sat rule, but I'd say it's likely that you're a fun, busy person who's Fri/Sat is already full. Likewise she makes plans for these days much earlier, so the spontaneous coffee date is unlikely. If you book a coffee date on a Friday, you'll look like an AFC that has nothing better to do. The exception is if you make a big fun plan for yourself Fri that you're going to do either way, and book the coffee date right before it, thus giving you a time limit on the coffee, and at the last minute you can offer for her to tag along to your fun evening.

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    Default Re: DAYGAME Expert Needed

    Good news and bad news. I just met another HB9+, 20 years old, daygame 10 min converstaion. After number closing I was happy to see that 1 hr later she initiated the 1st text and complimented me saying I had a cute smile and was sexy. All very good news.

    The bad news is I'm out of town for 10 days and can't meet up till I get back. I feel as though I need to keep the fire burning. Can somebody please tell me how often I should text or call until we meet up in person?

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    Default Re: DAYGAME Expert Needed

    Great post, Dave.

    As for Trickster, maybe text her every few days to keep the fire going.
    Always be honest with women. That's the true meaning of a PUA.

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    Default Re: DAYGAME Expert Needed

    There's a lot of good advice here already. Here's a bit more that I hope helps

    Quote Originally Posted by Trickster69 View Post
    Now I still have questions from above that I'm still curious about.

    1. Meet a girl during the day, complete stranger. Number close, text for a couple days and set up a date. She can't meet up till 4 or more days later. Do I keep the fire burning by texting/call a bit ever other day?

    2. I'm downtown a lot and due to work some of my daygame interactions are 5 mins. I can feel that I'm not building enough comfort but still manage to set up a future drink/coffee and number close. Should I build comfort by calling before setting up a date?

    3. I would really like to hear about a Daygame experts experiences. Nothing too detailed just break down a typical approach all the way to 1st date. I just want something to reference to my own experiences.
    1) Yes and no. One hazard you want to avoid is becoming a "text buddy" - you and her text back and forth a lot but never hang out. It can be remedied but better to avoid it.
    Also (specifically with HB8+) if you call or text like three times in a row without a response or text interaction it will come off as chasing her.
    Got it? So these are the reasons why to minimize texting.
    If she isn't responsive then freeze her out for a bit (two weeks or so) and then send a really good text, kinda teasing her
    "I just saw my neice wearing that weird shirt you have. It looks great with Dora the explorer glowing shoes"
    This comment ^ refers back to something you teased her about when you first met, and have teased her about in subsequent texts.
    So I guess the short answer is yes, keep the fire going, but be sure that it is high quality texts not a high quantity of them.

    2) Yes. Build more comfort/attraction (in daygame they basically go hand in hand - she gets more comfortable with the idea of being attracted to you, if that makes sense). Five minutes is the minimum, ten is good, if you have a fun and stimulating conversation upon meeting for twelve or more minutes then you're probably getting laid. But I digress.
    If your job dictates that you can't spend more than 3 or 5 minutes talking then immediately text her to extend the interaction (it ends up kinda working like an insta-date). Right after sending the "Hey, it's me from X" give it like two minutes and text something like "Okay, I don't know if you saw that old lady in the corner when you came through here, but she just picked up her phone and is having a really inappropriate conversation with someone named Ethel right now... it is so awkward everyone in the store is pretending not to hear her and I just can't take it"
    Whatever you text, make it something that you can build suspense, something that can be updated after a few minutes if the thread runs out, it needs to be something that you can reference a fundamental "did you ever notice how..." sort of thing. And if it is something that can be sexual - that helps immensely.
    (Btw, the old lady and Ethel are discussing sex toys).

    But the point is say something fun, teasing or sexual about what is going on with you at work - since she was just there - and as the conversation goes along learn a little about each other.

    A Tip:
    -Bond over something specific. If you have a specific thing (like you go to the same gym, or you both like drinking German beer and watching family guy, or she's a hipster and you know a really "off beat" coffee shop - whatever) if you have something specific that can translate into a hang out (e.g. "I need a spot for benching", "Family guy night and a case of Krystaweisse - yes!", *pic of a Pablo Passan book next to your herbal tea* - whatever) then she's more likely to not flake on the date than if it's just "you're cute, I'm charming" - which works, just not as much as a specific thing.


    3) Here's a basic of the typical structure of daygame (only slightly different from classic MM (night) game.

    Open: (b1tch shields are low because she's picking out radishes instead of swatting off guys in the club) Usually you can open successfully with some variant of "Hi" and alpha posture/confidence displays.

    Why you're talking to her: If you're going direct go with "I thought you looked cute and had to come talk to you, mind if I sit, anyway what are you up to?" *sit before she answers*
    If you're going indirect then it's some comment about an item she has "My aunt Rachel has that exact same hairpin, anyway what are you up to?"
    (Btw, At this time attraction and comfort start to build together because you've got her at the edge of her comfort zone - talking to strangers - but in a way that is entirely non-threatening. Also if you go direct then it builds attraction to your alpha stance, and if you go indirect it builds attraction as cocky/funny or as teasing her)

    Have a normal conversation in "Statement-Question" form: From here just talk to her like a normal person who you've known for months. "...anyway, what are you up to today?"
    She answers.
    Make a comment or a statement about her answer and then ask another question (either a follow-up, or an entirely new thread)
    She answers again
    You give another statement, followed by a question
    She answers,
    You: statement, question
    She: answers
    You: statement question
    During this time, throw in an anecdote here or there ("oh you're birthday gift shopping - I think the last birthday gift I bought was for my uncle...", use clarification questions "oh you're birthday shopping - who's birthday?" and tease her about whatever you can think of "oh birthday shopping - come on, nobody ever goes birthday shopping without buying five things for themselves - it's a law of physics, how many blouses are in there?"
    THrough statement-question you're just bu11sh1tting around with her and having fun. After a few minutes of this, you can tell her that she seems cool enough - go for the number close.

    Number close: Do it as if you are pleasantly surprise that she seems interesting enough that you would like to get to know her better. In direct game I like to do like Sasha, say "so, I will text you, and we'll grab a coffee one evening. If it sucks then we'll just part ways and never speak again, but if I have a good time and you have a good time we might grab a bite after, get some drinks, head back to your place and start a torrid love affair - how's that sound."
    If you like indirect, then it's gonna have to be based on a strong mutual interest "let's go to the gym together! You can spot me while I bench!" "I'll have to show you this place I mentioned earlier and got you all excited about."

    More chatting: reference your FTC, but then keep talking to her for a few minutes. If you leave immediately then it seems like you are fleeing the scene of a crime and she'll have buyers remorse just for exchanging numbers.

    After a few more minutes, (you can reference your FTC once more if you like): Then use your FTC to get out of there.

    Texting/Calling (but mostly texting because no one ever calls anymore): Should be used to set up a date. Say clever stuff, do more statement-question while setting it up or to warm her up, but texting should be for setting up the date. If you just text to say hey before you've been on a date then it comes off as DHV only about 5% of the time and DVL the other 95%


    IMPORTANT: Avoid "interview-style" conversation. This means:
    You: "So where are you from?"
    Her: "Detroit."
    You: "Cool. What do you do?"
    Her: "I work at a pet store"

    You: "Cool. Where did you go to school?"
    Her: "Duke."

    This ^ will get you nowhere fast.

    Instead say something fun about Detroit and then talk about where you're from, talk about what brought you out to the first place you went after leaving home, what brings you to whatever city you're in now and how you got to where you're meeting her. Comment about pet stores, pets you've had, why you don't want pets, animals in general, the way kids are kinda like pets - whatever. This is why statement-question exists, to avoid interview-questions.


    ...I guess you said you didn't want too much detail - Huh. Oopse.

    DTF HB's omw 2 LTR

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    Default Re: DAYGAME Expert Needed

    Autismus, I enjoyed your conversation breakdown, it is very similar to "Natural Game" by Richard La Ruina.


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