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    Default What way in your opinion is better??

    So I have been studying daygame (Guys like Sasha, Andy Yosha, and Simple Pickup) and I find their methods better than the other puas methods. If you aren't sure what the difference is it is basically this - Sasha, simple pickup, and Daygame.com crews method is they don't try to create attraction. They say that the attraction puas such as Mystery, Style or David D is only a false attraction that will die out eventually. You also never eject like you would with some of Mysterys techniques in order to reopen the same set. They say only worry about girls that are already attracted to you. They also never ever plow. So to me this way seems more natural and overall better. What do you guys think?
    Any of you guys in the Dayton Oh area let me know and we will sarge.

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    Default Re: What way in your opinion is better??

    Go with your gut. some stuff may work for you and not for others. when i first started I used a lot of ross jeffries stuff and it worked for me. but a lot of guys out there don't like his stuff. Try run a few routines around and see which feels right to you. All the gurus are competing with one another each claiming to have found the next big thing in pick up. it may work for some and not for others. so my advice is carry on reading the stuff and just amalgamate it into your own system. the basics of attraction will never changed, it's hardwired into our brain.

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    Default Re: What way in your opinion is better??

    I like that there are many different flavors of styles when it comes to game. I do a lot of night game so I still use MM as an overall model to follow. Be like Neil Strauss and learn from as many as you can and come up with your own style that fits you. I really should check into Sasha though to develop my day game.
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."

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    Default Re: What way in your opinion is better??

    This sounds like only picking the battles you can win.

    "Don't bother with a girl that isn't already attracted to you"? What? Ok maybe if your inner game is so good that every girl is attracted to you...

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    Default Re: What way in your opinion is better??

    There is no one way. If you follow one way you run into problems:
    A) You end up relying on a crutch
    B) If everyone uses a particular method girls start to get "immune" to it over time. It changes the culture. As it is, the culture has already changed a lot since the PUA movement started.

    I cannot speak to much of that new stuff, but here's a rundown on a few of the classics:

    Style - genius. One of the first to master more than one method. His book is a solid overview of the PUA movement. Not a fan of his recent stuff, though. Too long, seems out of touch, I wonder if he even wrote it.

    Mystery - No doubt one of the first to study the underlying mechanisms of pickup. His techniques have been overused and co-opted by miscreants, but his underlying philosophy is brilliant, especially in his book (if you can find it).

    Vin dicarlo - More recent. Revolutionized the text game. A lot of material to pick through now makes it difficult, though, especially since much is in presentation video form. Also, his 8 categories of women thing is decent, again the underlying philosophy, the three internal questions women have to deal with, is spot on, but the categories themselves and their use leaves much to be developed.

    Ross Jeffries - Another early pioneer. His original writings, though old, are still very good for inner game. NLP patterns may be a bit dated, but still very keen if interpreted for modern use.

    Juggler - offers some additional philosophy and a differing approach, good supplemental material, especially for day-gaming, and PUAs who are frustrated with mainstream PUA materials.

    Cocky/Funny - I forget the guy's name, has some useful gems and makes a few ideological points. Some strong supplemental material to understand, but doesn't give you enough to rely on it alone. I hear it is more successful on older women.



    That's the rundown. There's a few others, but I cannot remember the names... which is for the best because most of those aren't positive reviews anyway. There's also some related material in the "how to get your girl back" and "how to keep a girl" categories which is not pickup, yet is equally useful, and sometimes has some parallel themes. I'm too lazy to pull all that up right now, though.

    Also,
    This sounds like only picking the battles you can win.
    I tend to agree with this, though not entirely. I agree it's missing the main point of pickup, though I disagree on the fact that it's useless. The question of girls picking you up and how to better leverage their existing attraction are valid and underrepresented on the forums. In fact there was just a post today where I pointed that out for a particular advice thread. If someone has published about that, all the better. Still, I wouldn't rely on it solely, it's supplemental material as far as I am concerned. Not everyone who comes here has a swath of attracted women to pick from, and many PUAs who use traditional methods to attract women would benefit from being better able to take advantage of that attraction without dropping their other methods entirely.

    Opinions?





    (BTW, If anyone cares to help out, I have an open question on another thread:
    http://www.puaforums.com/how-text-gi...my-number.html
    Thanks!)

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    Default Re: What way in your opinion is better??

    Batman- Sasha is a great teacher. I've learned a lot from him. The others I listed show you some great stuff as well although Simple Pickup don't have very many free instructional videos but they do have some entertaining ones. Daygame.com teach similar stuff to Sasha and give away a ton of info on their site.

    Yeah I am learning from everyone that I can but I am leaning more towards the daygame guys because 1.) I am focusing on daygame cause I don't do the clubs and bar thing anymore. and 2.) It just seems more natural because I know a lot of guys use routines and things like that as a crutch and I don't want to fall into that trap. Thanks for the insight guys.
    Any of you guys in the Dayton Oh area let me know and we will sarge.


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