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Thread: Dealing with unspoken LMR

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    Default Dealing with unspoken LMR

    One major sticking point I've had is dealing with LMR. It seems every girl I end up with has it. I build great attraction, kino all the time. Usually start making out in some place then when she's getting all hot and ready I say lets get outta here and go to a spot where we can fuck.

    When we get there I usually start making out again, grab her ass, get kinda rough in a sexy way by pulling hair, biting lips/neck. Then I rub her inner thighs and brush over her pussy "accidentally". After she's good and wet I start rubbing her pussy over her underwear and eventually slip my hand inside her underwear and finger her. They let me take their panties off maybe half the time, after which I go down on her (other half of the time they just brush my hand away, an unspoken way of saying stop). Whenever I try to put my dick in them they always brush it away, again implying to stop. I usually slow down a little and try again later but they never let me.

    How do I get past this LMR? It's annoying and gives me blue balls every time I hook up with a girl. I don't go clubbing, I meet all the girls during the day and it seems they all want a relationship so this may have something to do with it but its a recurring problem. Any advice?

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    Default Re: Dealing with unspoken LMR

    Read up on Mystery Method M3 model the S2 Phase deals with LMR and how to break it down. There are many ways to go about this, the one i've heard work is the Freeze out. It's detailed pretty well in "The Game".

    Basically, when you get that LMR, you're in an emotionally heated state right? girl is all hot and bothered right? when she turns you away for the F-close, DO NOT TELEGRAPH frustration. Just freeze her out. Turn the music off, turn the lights on, check your facebook. She will be so confused seeing as a moment ago she had your full attention. She'll ask whats wrong, again, YOU ARE NOT PHASED, tell her "Nothing, I don't want to get all worked up for no reason, and I just have to shut it off if I can't move forward." She will long for that attention you took away, reinitiate and work slowly back to where you were and go further. Rinse repeat, rinse repeat.

    Another way is to become the prize. Start making out right, but make her be the one moving forward. Guide her hand to the buttons of your shirt so she takes it off.. THEN take hers off. Same with pants, boxers, ect. if you tease her, mid makeout just pull away and say "easy killer" then make her come to you, she wont put up those barriers as tall. Look into reading The Mystery Method, almost everything I just explained is in the book, and it's like $20 bucks on amazon. Good Luck buddy. Cheers

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    Default Re: Dealing with unspoken LMR

    Seeing a lot of talk on the forum lately about LMR. Mojo has written a good summary here. There are more than one ways to deal with LMR than just the freezeout, though. The most important things to take away from his summary are the parts in all caps, and are the central theme of all ways. DO NOT TELEGRAPH FRUSTRATION. YOU ARE NOT PHASED.

    Also, we generally say there is only one reason for LMR, that need to put up the good girl facade, and in my experience, that's not always the case. In general it does mean she's conflicted about something, and if you haven't built enough comfort or desire, the good girl social programming is a common source of that conflict. Still, there are other reasons...

    Supposedly, statistically, one in three women have been sexually assaulted in some way at some point in their lifetime, and although psychological trauma isn't a common reason for hesitation, and even when it is it's usually apparent much earlier on, yet occasionally it can be triggered last minute, as you can imagine.

    It's not always mental, either. For example, sometimes a girl might want it just as bad as you, but she's on her period and isn't quite sure how to break the news verbally or how you'll react. If she will suck your d1ck like a vacuum cleaner, but won't take it anywhere else, you can be sure something beyond social good girl pressure is going on down there.

    I won't go into all the other grosser possibilities, but another common resistance example comes up before you even get her pants off: If you're a good PUA, you may have got her hot and bothered when she least expects it. And as the more forthcoming of the female gender will confide, girls don't like to shave their legs if they're not expecting to show them to anyone (to be fair, it does seem like it would be a lot of work). So when you go for the button on her pants and she stops you, bites her lip, and gives you that conflicted, frustrated "ooh I want to order desert but it'll go straight to my hips"-look, then you better coax her into telling you the nature of the hold-up. You can't do much about a period (unless you like things messy), but if a razor and a half a can of shaving cream had been all you would have had to give up for a wild crazy night of farking her brains out, I'm guessing you would have wanted to know.

    Even when it is not physical, LMR might still not be the 'good girl' anxiety thing. Sometimes a girl just wants to be warmed up a little more. Not to sound like a women's magazine, but you really can't go wrong with throwing a little more foreplay in. Once she's in your bed, as long as you don't get frustrated/angry or otherwise negative, she WILL fark you eventually. So why rush it? If you get the c*ck-block, go back to fingering her. This may be departing pickup advice and getting into sex advice column material, but finger her until she comes, screaming (her screaming, not you...that'd be weird). I DARE you to find a girl that denies d1ck after a solid orgasm. Seriously. If you're too lazy to do that...well, if you're lazy you shouldn't be a PUA...but if you get that far and you want to be lazy, have her do it herself! Have her "show you" how to really make herself orgasm. If it seems like that makes you feel like less of an experienced alpha, then frame it as "every girl is different, show me what's unique about you." She wants to come, so she'll help. It's ok to make her work for it a little. PUA advice seems to give up after you get the girl into bed, but if you really want to prevent buyers remorse, you need to make sure she has a good time (ideally, you BOTH should). And even if it IS plain old vanilla 'good girl' LMR, you can still play it that way. Yea, you could deal with it using a freeze-out instead, but personally I prefer freeze-out only as a last resort...it's only a method to get back to fun, it's not very fun itself, for neither you or her.

    This may be a bit advanced, but really the best way to deal with LMR is to prevent it from coming up in the first place. As Mojo said, you can read up on Mystery and others for a detailed analysis and techniques, but mostly it revolves around an alpha attitude, getting her to initiate, and getting her into the frame of mind where escalation feels accidental ("i didn't mean to sleep with him on the first date, it just sort of happened") or like destiny ("it was meant to be"). One of the approaches mentioned is to use statements that pre-qualify what's going to happen, so it's not so sudden to her when it does. For example, "let's walk to dessert... my car is too much of a temptation, if i let you in it we'd have to have crazy sex in the back seat." then, when she gets in your car later, it's already been established what's going to happen next. Key phrase is "have to". There's nothing you can do about it. Now she knows, if she gets in the car, it's happening. It's out of your hands. And more importantly, out of hers. When she gets in the car, she no longer has the responsibility of being the good girl. Obviously, change it up a bit. Substitute some other event for getting in the car. I've adapted the formula this way: As soon as clothes start to come off (even a little), I hand her a condom and say "this is your ticket, take extra special care of it. no ticket, no ride." This does two things: 1, she knows it's going to be safe sex, which is important because disease and pregnancy is plastered all over the media and society and is a major cause of her societal anxiety to be a 'good girl' (for good reason) and 2, as above, it pre-qualifies that sex is already going to happen. If it's inevitable, there's nothing to resist last minute. She tells herself, "I tried to be a good girl, but it's too late, what could I possibly do? The condom is already out. Throw it out? Can't do that, that would be wasteful, and I promised I would take extra special care of it, and I have to live up to my promise because I'm a good girl."

    If you have two things in conflict: one you're supposed to do and one you want to do, you'll do the one you're supposed to do. But if you have the slightest legitimate excuse to get you out of the thing you are supposed to do... of course you'll do the thing you want to do! A good PUA will subtly feed her the excuses she needs to do the thing she wants to do. An even better PUA will get her wanting it so bad she makes up the excuses herself. You'll be free to focus on both of you having a good time, and she'll have to work a little for it, investing, in the process. That, of course, pays off extra, later on.


    OG_PIMP, for your specific case, the only other advice: is that "no means no", and you should always respect when a woman says "no", but her not saying anything while gently brushing you off physically... well, let's just say I'm not saying anything.

    Also, even knowing nothing of LMR, one would think you'd just luck out eventually, so something must be up. As Mojo pointed out, it's most likely letting a needy/frustrated/desperate attitude come out in the moment. However, just to be sure, check yourself over, make sure there's not some other consistent reason a girl might be offended once she got your pants off. Obviously, if your d1ck smells rank or is furry like an ewok or something, we can't help you with that! So definitely make sure you've taken care of the basics first. No offense, but you'd be surprised how often you run across someone who overlooked the obvious. I mean, how many people call in to tech support because their computer won't turn on, only to find they forgot to check that it was plugged into the power outlet?

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    Default Re: Dealing with unspoken LMR

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnum View Post
    OG_PIMP, for your specific case, the only other advice: is that "no means no", and you should always respect when a woman says "no", but her not saying anything while gently brushing you off physically... well, let's just say I'm not saying anything.

    Also, even knowing nothing of LMR, one would think you'd just luck out eventually, so something must be up. As Mojo pointed out, it's most likely letting a needy/frustrated/desperate attitude come out in the moment. However, just to be sure, check yourself over, make sure there's not some other consistent reason a girl might be offended once she got your pants off. Obviously, if your d1ck smells rank or is furry like an ewok or something, we can't help you with that! So definitely make sure you've taken care of the basics first. No offense, but you'd be surprised how often you run across someone who overlooked the obvious. I mean, how many people call in to tech support because their computer won't turn on, only to find they forgot to check that it was plugged into the power outlet?
    Thanks for the advice, both of you. I have heard of people pulling off the freeze out when getting LMR, but never actually saw myself pulling it off. Seems like a good idea, I think I'll try it soon. Another thing someone told me which I agree with 100% is the girls I've been hooking up with see me as boyfriend material rather than a hook up, so that very well could be the reason I hit the LMR. One girl (who is a virgin) straight up told me that she likes me a lot and if we want to take things to the next level (sexually) then we should become official. I told her I don't like to label things and I am really happy with what we are right now. I would feel guilty making her my gf while I'm still hooking up with 3-4 girls regularly.

    As for your response, I always do respect the no means no statement. I try to be persistence but if she really means no, then I don't pursue things. And about the hygene: I can guarantee thats not an issue. I'm always neatly trimmed, shower before I go out, and am definitely above average sized (about 8").

    Thanks for the responses, very in depth and detailed.

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    Default Re: Dealing with unspoken LMR

    Sounds like you and I have opposite sticking points so I'll try to help you figure out why this is happening in the first place cause I rarely have this problem.

    First thing is I would never say something like "let's go to my place and fark" if you hadn't previously done so. Always give them an excuse like "lets go some place quieter" or "I want to show you something at my place" etc.. . Otherwise you could trigger the "oh my god if I agree does that make me a slut" thinking.

    Also if I suspect sex might happen on a date I will either invite them to watch a movie at my place or pick a date near where I live. A long car ride to your place could ruin the moment or give her time to start doubting her decision. Also the movie date gives you a chance to rub her back and slowly get her turned on before you even kiss her.

    It may be that you're just moving too fast. Either she needs to get to know you more or too fast a progression in the bedroom. Just cause a woman is wet doesn't mean she's ready for penetration. In general most women get off easier from oral or by fingering her g spot (and most women are more sensitive to one than the other in my experience) so usually I've already given her an orgasm before I stick it in.

    So how long have you known these girls when you 'go for the gold'?

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    Default Re: Dealing with unspoken LMR

    Quote Originally Posted by PokerPlayer View Post
    Sounds like you and I have opposite sticking points so I'll try to help you figure out why this is happening in the first place cause I rarely have this problem.

    First thing is I would never say something like "let's go to my place and fark" if you hadn't previously done so. Always give them an excuse like "lets go some place quieter" or "I want to show you something at my place" etc.. . Otherwise you could trigger the "oh my god if I agree does that make me a slut" thinking.

    Also if I suspect sex might happen on a date I will either invite them to watch a movie at my place or pick a date near where I live. A long car ride to your place could ruin the moment or give her time to start doubting her decision. Also the movie date gives you a chance to rub her back and slowly get her turned on before you even kiss her.

    It may be that you're just moving too fast. Either she needs to get to know you more or too fast a progression in the bedroom. Just cause a woman is wet doesn't mean she's ready for penetration. In general most women get off easier from oral or by fingering her g spot (and most women are more sensitive to one than the other in my experience) so usually I've already given her an orgasm before I stick it in.

    So how long have you known these girls when you 'go for the gold'?
    Sorry, I worded that wrong. Usually when we're making out I tell the girl, "cmon lets get outta here" then I bring them to a seduction location. I usually come up with some excuse at the to go back to mine or hers. Even before the date I often go back to my or her place with her because i forgot my wallet or need to use her bathroom or w/e reason. I love this trick and in my experience I can get back to the house after the date much easier

    Anyway, the date isn't always very close to the house, but not always far away either. I have had similar results on both types of dates. After talking to more people about it and reading more, I think its just because the women I go out with want a relationship from me, so they want to take it slower. I have had much more success with farking girls I met the same night than farking girls who I go on a date with.

    Kinda relates to the last paragraph but I meet most of the girls during normal interactions rather than clubs/bars/parties. Seems like the non-party girls are more reserved than girls I pick up from bars/clubs.

    Thanks for the response. I went out with one of the girls I've been seeing today and while she still didn't give it up, I got a nice little blow job from the whole thing. I'm thinking next time I'm going to actually tell her that I think we should take it to the next level, I'll go slow/stop if she wants me to blah blah blah. This girls a virgin so she's really careful about who she gives it up to lol


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