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Thread: She said "I don't believe you". WTF?!

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    Default Re: She said "I don't believe you". WTF?!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuke View Post
    Like I said, it's not that you don't build comfort. You should, it's just, you can't skip the attraction phase in the process. The attraction phase is the most important part of the pickup.
    Hi Buddy,

    I pretty much do the same things. When I talk to them I genuinely try to get to know them. I ask about their interests and thoughts and passions etc and they ask me about my job and travel experience etc. But at the end I get a "NOPE"!.

    How a conversation can get me passed from comfort to attraction? What body language is involved? I can send you a photo of mine while I was trying to pickup a girl. You will see the girl is mimicking my body language and is playing with hair etc but at the end she refused giving me her number. I am confused

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    Default Re: She said "I don't believe you". WTF?!

    Quote Originally Posted by aussiearef View Post
    Thank you.

    I am not sure if the opener is really that important. I have tried many different openers and the result has been the same. I have picked this simple one because it's short an easy. I used to use this one but I was getting less attention even though this canned opener sounds strong:

    "Hey I saw you from over there. I would have kicking myself all day long if I did not come over here to talk to you. You are very attractive...".

    Also I would never say "I did not want to lose the chance of talking to you". It's DLV. It's her chance to talk to me not the other way around.

    I agree with you on that I give up too early. It's something I have to work on. When they say "I don't know you" I have to find some ways to go around it. I guess the attraction phase is not executed properly so that sounds like the sticking point.

    p.s. In Sydney it's very unlikely to get "F.k off I will call the cops". People are normally too polite to do so. Plus, cops don't care!

    Well......I have been rejected for MY "nice butt" OPENER (30 min of sh!t testing then rejected on the close). I have been given a Kino grab for MY "I didn't want to lose the chance to talk to you." OPENER. I have had a girl offer her phone number and ask me to come with her for MY "I just ran over here to talk to you and lost my place in line" OPENER. I have done a bar pull for MY "Are you leaving?" OPENER. So yes openers are huge. Ignore them and you're screwed. Keep using the same opener over and over and you are bound to fail. Now you can salvage a bad opener but expect sh!t test fest which is what you're experiencing mate this is why you need to be more creative with your words and you will get farther and farther. Openers are not THAT crucial as gamebreakers (some are just icebreakers and go by uneventful but some are very eventful) in the grand scheme of things but they play a huge part and set the tone for the ENTIRE interaction sometimes, so ignore them and you will find yourself eating your own words. So try some good openers. So yes you have a point I have made extremely weak openers into good SETS but my best sets have always come from my best openers. Also my worst sets were always with my worst openers or the worst calibrated openers. It's just the name of the game man. Play like you want to win.
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    Default Re: She said "I don't believe you". WTF?!

    Women can usually tell if you are being sincere or not. You probably need to practice your delivery. Practice in front of a mirror if you need to. Also, you shouldn't say anything about her that you don't sincerely believe. If she seems interesting then tell her that.

    You want to be mysterious. Give them a compliment then walk away. Keep doing this until you are confident enough to stand around a little while longer but always make it seem as though you are just about ready to leave and don't face her directly.

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    Default Re: She said "I don't believe you". WTF?!

    Quote Originally Posted by aussiearef View Post
    Hi Buddy,

    I pretty much do the same things. When I talk to them I genuinely try to get to know them. I ask about their interests and thoughts and passions etc and they ask me about my job and travel experience etc. But at the end I get a "NOPE"!.

    How a conversation can get me passed from comfort to attraction? What body language is involved? I can send you a photo of mine while I was trying to pickup a girl. You will see the girl is mimicking my body language and is playing with hair etc but at the end she refused giving me her number. I am confused
    There's your problem right there. When you go to talk to someone for the first time, you can't just jump in and "get to know them." You have to flirt, be playful, and tease them first. "Getting to know" someone is the comfort stage. You have to start with attraction and then go to comfort. I always tease girls right from the start and start with kino escalation almost immediately. This is where some people believe things like negging are really helpful.

    I guarantee you're diving into the comfort stage WAY too quickly.
    "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."


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